To me, the most critical thing in the hobby market right now is the lack of good software courses, books and software itself. Without good software and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer is wasted. Will quality software be written for the hobby market?
Almost a year ago, Paul Allen and myself, expecting the hobby market to expand, hired Monte Davidoff and developed Altair BASIC. Though the initial work took only two mont
From: "How to Become As Rich As Bill Gates" http://philip.greenspun.com/bg/ [greenspun.com] """ William Henry Gates III made his best decision on October 28, 1955, the night he was born. He chose J.W. Maxwell as his great-grandfather. Maxwell founded Seattle's National City Bank in 1906. His son, James Willard Maxwell was also a banker and established a million-dollar trust fund for William (Bill) Henry Gates III. In some of the later lessons, you will be encouraged to take entrepreneurial risks.
Bill Gate's could have spent his lifetime writing free software. That being born a multi-millionaire was not enough for him is a sign of an illness that causes "financial obesity", not something to be emulated. But, in the end, it is not Bill Gates who has destroyed our society as much as all the people who want to be the next Bill Gates and support regressive social policies they hope to benefit from someday.
It's a poor, twisted soul that even thinks to call wealth 'financial obesity', or refer to it as an
How this comment gets 5: Insightful is beyond me. All like the parent replied, it's all ad hominems and strawmen. There's not a single hard argument here that holds water.
Let's say we're both in line at Fortune 500 company for a VP promotion. We can't both have our candles lit, can we?
Implicit in your question is the assumption that the VP promotion is the only way for that individual to generate wealth beyond what he already posesses. It also implies a fixation on working for someone else to generate wealth, but someone has to start all these companies that grow into fortune 500 companies and employ thousands of people and a few VP's.
"Considering that the wealthy, the middle class, and much of the poor (who still drive cars, have air conditioning, and posses multiple TV's in the US) possess material wealth of a manner and quantity that didn't exist 100 years ago, who did they steal all that wealth from?"
You're certainly right in suggesting that the organization of matter into forms humans desire is the creation of wealth (the poster you are responding to got that wrong). And you are certainly correct that we have more stuff in the USA than ever (See Cato Institute's Brink Lindsey's "The Age Of Abundance").
But, as financial prospectuses always say: "Past performance is no guarantee of future results". You can't conclude from the poor having more stuff now that things won't change dramatically in the near term unless we actively try to reform a winner-takes-all social ideology. Reforms might include instituting a "basic income" to keep the market working (funded by a wealth tax perhaps or other means), helping gift economies prosper like GNU/Linux by more supportive laws like shortening copyright length to a few years or limiting its scope to only commercial transactions, and helping people be more productive locally in various ways where they keep or share the results of their own production from home 3D printers or neighborhood TechShops or local farms by helping individuals relearn productive skills and have access to the resources they need to do that.
Also, while we have a lot more stuff, so much that we are getting buried in it in the USA and people make movies like WALL-e that don't even sound too far fetched, we also have a lot more cancer (half of which comes from environmental causes) and a lot more risk of global Armageddon from nukes, bioweapons, killer robots, and global financial panics. We also have a lot less species and less nature. One can argue if that was a good trade overall, but in any case, it is a done deal. But here is another way to measure progress than Brink Lindsey's approach: http://www.rprogress.org/sustainability_indicators/genuine_progress_indicator.htm [rprogress.org] "We believe that if policymakers measure what really matters to people--health care, safety, a clean environment, and other indicators of well-being--economic policy would naturally shift towards sustainability. Redefining Progress created the Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI) in 1995 as an alternative to the gross domestic product (GDP). The GPI enables policymakers at the national, state, regional, or local level to measure how well their citizens are doing both economically and socially."
Is Bill Gates lobbying for any of that? No, he is busy moving his R&D to India, trying to get more staff under H1B visa indentured servitude to get the most for the cheapest labor costs, trying to pay less taxes to support those workers that improved productivity from software makes redundant, and likely trying to extend the scope and duration of patents and copyrights he owns -- at least, until, like the Grinch who stole Christmas, he has a change of heart. Then, his vast talent and skills could help renew our society, physical infrastructure, and our ecology, like happened at the end of the movie WALL-e (if you stayed for the credits):
"WALL-E Credits" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6wgicmUAfw [youtube.com]
The issue is, where do we go from here? Mainstream economists ignore the value of social capital, like intact extended families and intact neighborhoods. Brink Lindsey ignored social trends, for example, how the USA has one of the lowest scores on life expectance and childhood happiness of the industrialized nations, and how hundreds of years earlier the natives had a socialist economic system that was working so well that Benjamin Franklin borrowed lots of ideas from the Iroquois Confederacy to write the US Constitution. They also ignore systemic risk; Brink Lindsey's book written a few years ago might have been different (if he was honest) if written today after the economic crash. They ignore the long term implications of increased automation and better design in the face of limited demand for stuff, because "the best things in life are free or cheap", and the implication that with better robotics and AI there will be less need for workers, meaning more unemployment and worse jobs (from increased competition) over time. Yes, that means *you* in twenty to thirty years will have a tough time finding a job. Cabbie? Robots drive cars better than you. Surgeon? One can do the work of ten with robots. Cashier? RFID. Product designer? Fancy software will make design easy for people with little skill. Nurse? Better medicines and robots will allow a few nurses to do so much more. And so on. See Marshall Brain's Robotic Nation. http://www.marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm [marshallbrain.com]
Again, you confuse financial wealth (potentially zero sum) and physical wealth (potentially infinite). Also, your introducing the notion of "stealing" is a strawman argument. One can have vast inequity and lots of suffering of people without "stealing" if the social contract is written a certain way. What was the recent multi-trillion dollar bailout but a form of legal stealing from the population and giving it to wealthy speculators?
But, it is true, much has been stolen in a sense of might makes right, like perhaps the very land of the USA from the natives? http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html [historyisaweapon.com] """ The Indians, Columbus reported, "are so naive and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone...." He concluded his report by asking for a little help from their Majesties, and in return he would bring them from his next voyage "as much gold as they need... and as many slaves as they ask." He was full of religious talk: "Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to those who follow His way over apparent impossibilities." """
I've read that Manhattan Island, the granite bedrock of US capitalism itself, was purchased under false pretenses from some people in a neighboring tribe who did not live on the island.
You're right that we may disagree on 1000 assumptions, but the thing is, thirty years ago I used to talk a lot more like you do now. It has been probably literally 1000 assumptions that I was taught in school that I have had to unlearn. It is a long path. You are starting down it by being willing to make your views known in public in a forum where they can be commented on. That is a brave start.
This is the most blatant example of moderator abuse I have seen on slashdot, every comment modded a troll. puuulease. It looks like the signs that Benjamin Franklin were talking about are happening right here and trite now, how glib.
This sort of abuse illustrates that freedom of speech will be sacrificed to maintain the status quo. Dissent will not be tolerated and there will be enough 'Useful idiot's' out there to help crush that dissent. What a ironic example of how freedom is an illusion. You are free t
Bill Gates wrote to me for money in 1976 (Score:5, Interesting)
By William Henry Gates III
February 3, 1976
An Open Letter to Hobbyists
To me, the most critical thing in the hobby market right now is the lack of good software courses, books and software itself. Without good software and an owner who understands programming, a hobby computer is wasted. Will quality software be written for the hobby market?
Almost a year ago, Paul Allen and myself, expecting the hobby market to expand, hired Monte Davidoff and developed Altair BASIC. Though the initial work took only two mont
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From:
"How to Become As Rich As Bill Gates"
http://philip.greenspun.com/bg/ [greenspun.com]
"""
William Henry Gates III made his best decision on October 28, 1955, the night he was born. He chose J.W. Maxwell as his great-grandfather. Maxwell founded Seattle's National City Bank in 1906. His son, James Willard Maxwell was also a banker and established a million-dollar trust fund for William (Bill) Henry Gates III. In some of the later lessons, you will be encouraged to take entrepreneurial risks.
financial obesity? illness? What gall! (Score:3, Insightful)
Bill Gate's could have spent his lifetime writing free software. That being born a multi-millionaire was not enough for him is a sign of an illness that causes "financial obesity", not something to be emulated. But, in the end, it is not Bill Gates who has destroyed our society as much as all the people who want to be the next Bill Gates and support regressive social policies they hope to benefit from someday.
It's a poor, twisted soul that even thinks to call wealth 'financial obesity', or refer to it as an
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How this comment gets 5: Insightful is beyond me. All like the parent replied, it's all ad hominems and strawmen. There's not a single hard argument here that holds water.
http://www.jmooneyham.com/the-huge-mountain-of-cash-separating-the-rich-from-everyone-else.html [jmooneyham.com] (and seriously, I'm seeing new infographics like this every few days, this is just the most recent)
Wealth is a zero sum game, a game where the wealthy get the sum and everybody else gets as close to zero as possible without revolting against
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Let's say we're both in line at Fortune 500 company for a VP promotion. We can't both have our candles lit, can we?
Implicit in your question is the assumption that the VP promotion is the only way for that individual to generate wealth beyond what he already posesses. It also implies a fixation on working for someone else to generate wealth, but someone has to start all these companies that grow into fortune 500 companies and employ thousands of people and a few VP's.
"Poisoned soul" doesn't mean anything. Y
Re:financial obesity? illness? What gall! (Score:0, Troll)
"Considering that the wealthy, the middle class, and much of the poor (who still drive cars, have air conditioning, and posses multiple TV's in the US) possess material wealth of a manner and quantity that didn't exist 100 years ago, who did they steal all that wealth from?"
You're certainly right in suggesting that the organization of matter into forms humans desire is the creation of wealth (the poster you are responding to got that wrong). And you are certainly correct that we have more stuff in the USA than ever (See Cato Institute's Brink Lindsey's "The Age Of Abundance").
But, as financial prospectuses always say: "Past performance is no guarantee of future results". You can't conclude from the poor having more stuff now that things won't change dramatically in the near term unless we actively try to reform a winner-takes-all social ideology. Reforms might include instituting a "basic income" to keep the market working (funded by a wealth tax perhaps or other means), helping gift economies prosper like GNU/Linux by more supportive laws like shortening copyright length to a few years or limiting its scope to only commercial transactions, and helping people be more productive locally in various ways where they keep or share the results of their own production from home 3D printers or neighborhood TechShops or local farms by helping individuals relearn productive skills and have access to the resources they need to do that.
Also, while we have a lot more stuff, so much that we are getting buried in it in the USA and people make movies like WALL-e that don't even sound too far fetched, we also have a lot more cancer (half of which comes from environmental causes) and a lot more risk of global Armageddon from nukes, bioweapons, killer robots, and global financial panics. We also have a lot less species and less nature. One can argue if that was a good trade overall, but in any case, it is a done deal. But here is another way to measure progress than Brink Lindsey's approach:
http://www.rprogress.org/sustainability_indicators/genuine_progress_indicator.htm [rprogress.org]
"We believe that if policymakers measure what really matters to people--health care, safety, a clean environment, and other indicators of well-being--economic policy would naturally shift towards sustainability. Redefining Progress created the Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI) in 1995 as an alternative to the gross domestic product (GDP). The GPI enables policymakers at the national, state, regional, or local level to measure how well their citizens are doing both economically and socially."
Is Bill Gates lobbying for any of that? No, he is busy moving his R&D to India, trying to get more staff under H1B visa indentured servitude to get the most for the cheapest labor costs, trying to pay less taxes to support those workers that improved productivity from software makes redundant, and likely trying to extend the scope and duration of patents and copyrights he owns -- at least, until, like the Grinch who stole Christmas, he has a change of heart. Then, his vast talent and skills could help renew our society, physical infrastructure, and our ecology, like happened at the end of the movie WALL-e (if you stayed for the credits):
"WALL-E Credits"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6wgicmUAfw [youtube.com]
The issue is, where do we go from here? Mainstream economists ignore the value of social capital, like intact extended families and intact neighborhoods. Brink Lindsey ignored social trends, for example, how the USA has one of the lowest scores on life expectance and childhood happiness of the industrialized nations, and how hundreds of years earlier the natives had a socialist economic system that was working so well that Benjamin Franklin borrowed lots of ideas from the Iroquois Confederacy to write the US Constitution. They also ignore systemic risk; Brink Lindsey's book written a few years ago might have been different (if he was honest) if written today after the economic crash. They ignore the long term implications of increased automation and better design in the face of limited demand for stuff, because "the best things in life are free or cheap", and the implication that with better robotics and AI there will be less need for workers, meaning more unemployment and worse jobs (from increased competition) over time. Yes, that means *you* in twenty to thirty years will have a tough time finding a job. Cabbie? Robots drive cars better than you. Surgeon? One can do the work of ten with robots. Cashier? RFID. Product designer? Fancy software will make design easy for people with little skill. Nurse? Better medicines and robots will allow a few nurses to do so much more. And so on. See Marshall Brain's Robotic Nation.
http://www.marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm [marshallbrain.com]
Again, you confuse financial wealth (potentially zero sum) and physical wealth (potentially infinite). Also, your introducing the notion of "stealing" is a strawman argument. One can have vast inequity and lots of suffering of people without "stealing" if the social contract is written a certain way. What was the recent multi-trillion dollar bailout but a form of legal stealing from the population and giving it to wealthy speculators?
But, it is true, much has been stolen in a sense of might makes right, like perhaps the very land of the USA from the natives? ... and as many slaves as they ask." He was full of religious talk: "Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to those who follow His way over apparent impossibilities."
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html [historyisaweapon.com]
"""
The Indians, Columbus reported, "are so naive and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone...." He concluded his report by asking for a little help from their Majesties, and in return he would bring them from his next voyage "as much gold as they need
"""
I've read that Manhattan Island, the granite bedrock of US capitalism itself, was purchased under false pretenses from some people in a neighboring tribe who did not live on the island.
You're right that we may disagree on 1000 assumptions, but the thing is, thirty years ago I used to talk a lot more like you do now. It has been probably literally 1000 assumptions that I was taught in school that I have had to unlearn. It is a long path. You are starting down it by being willing to make your views known in public in a forum where they can be commented on. That is a brave start.
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This sort of abuse illustrates that freedom of speech will be sacrificed to maintain the status quo. Dissent will not be tolerated and there will be enough 'Useful idiot's' out there to help crush that dissent. What a ironic example of how freedom is an illusion. You are free t
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This is the most blatant example of moderator abuse I have seen on slashdot, every comment modded a troll. puuulease.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
dfenstrate is a dolt, yet every post he makes gets rated +5...
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