180 Solutions Cuts Back on Spyware Installs 158
An anonymous reader writes "Washingtonpost.com is reporting that adware purveyor 180Solutions has finally decided to stop letting third-party companies install their programs for commission without 180's approval. The story says 180 announced the move after pressure from public interest groups who threatened to file a formal complaint with regulators at the Federal Trade Commission."
Please (Score:4, Insightful)
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http://www.180solutions.com/ [180solutions.com]
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A Little Misleading (Score:3, Informative)
Man how I love getting called in to fix a slow computer and seeing 3 or
Oblig. (Score:1, Offtopic)
Good. (Score:1)
Somehow I doubt getting approval will be very hard (Score:4, Insightful)
That's OK (Score:2)
Better Ideas (Score:5, Interesting)
Could it be that some spyware manufacturers are taking the good press while they can, knowing that their current method of installation won't really last? Could they be looking to bypass end-user installation altogether?
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HP.
Take an HP out of the box.
Install your anti-spyware app of choice - preferably the AdAware/Spybot one-two punch.
Run the scan.
Be amazed that there's something there.
Re:Better Ideas (Score:2)
Re:Yeah... (Score:2)
Not spyware, AFAICT, but it's crapware. (Then again, many would say Windows falls in the definition of crapware - software that drastically affects the performance of the system, and is hard to remove, but isn't spyware.)
Re:Yeah... (Score:2)
Windows, of course, is easy to remove. FORMAT C:
I was just saying that some would throw it in that category.
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I'm fairly certain that low end Dell's now ship with it. They have a lot of stuff installed... even Office trial that can be purchased. I'm not sure, but I think WP was the full version, but only included on CD.
So yeah, that might explain the price break on the new equipment and boy does it slow them down. So of course I wipe and reinstall... then create an image disk for all of the systems.
Unfortunately, I can't go back and confirm it on the dozen new systems, because they no longer have the factory install.
Re:Better Ideas (Score:2, Informative)
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It make my blood boil that they aren't treated like the virus writers that they are.
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They Should be in Jail (Score:5, Insightful)
There *should* be a lawsuit... (Score:2)
Mind you, installing stuff with the permission of the user is one thing, installing crapware through ActiveX and Java holes is another.
Bad for digiticians! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Bad for digiticians! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Bad for digiticians! (Score:5, Funny)
"I called. I don't think this big, floppy disk will fit in my tiny drive."
"Don't worry, I'll make it fit. Looks like you have some backdoors on here too."
A floppy disk? (Score:2)
Re:Bad for digiticians! (Score:1)
"Stand still, there's a trojan in your back orifice" (1)
(1) Overheard at a Gateway call center (minus the "Stand still" part) when a tech was trying to explain to a customer why their machine was acting erratic.
Re:Bad for digiticians! (Score:2)
Now with herbal viagra. Make your Floppy a Hard-Drive. Order Today!
Re:Bad for digiticians! (Score:3, Funny)
"I called. I don't think this big, floppy disk will fit in my tiny drive."
"Don't worry, I'll make it fit. Looks like you have some backdoors on here too."
I just reached new level of being a nerd. I got a hard-on because of someone writing naughy messages about computers in slashdot.
Re:Bad for digiticians! (Score:2)
And you're willing to admit that?
Make that two new levels of nerd
re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:5, Insightful)
Just as I have no desire to join the mafia and extort money from people, I don't enjoy billing high rates to customers who were victimized by malware when all they're trying to do is struggle by on their 5 or 6 year old PC, reading their email and typing up papers.
In fact, I've often ended up trying to "do the right thing" and only charging them a more reasonable price, which meant I got seriously short-changed for my time spent. But I guess I just can't stomach the idea of taking some retired lady's entire pension for the month just because some asshat like 180 Solutions tossed their crap-ware on her computer when she thought she was just downloading a pretty waterfall screen saver or something.
Re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Think of it you yank the harddrive do the file scan export the registry hive scan that
do your fixes import the registry hive back. reinstall the harddrive and collect your check (after testing)
Re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:2)
It's called 'estimates' (Score:2)
You give the customer your estimate. If they agree, then you do the job your paid to do.
Many years ago I worked in the TV repair industry. Same issue. someone brings in a 300 dollar TV and want the Tube replaced. you smile and tell them they can buy a new one for the same price. They agree, you do the work. Of course,75% of th
Another approach at solving your malware problems (Score:1)
Re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:1)
Frankly, it's boring, and sometimes even tedious work.
My neighbor, a very nice older lady, bought a semi-functional computer at a garage sale. I reinstalled Windows and put Ad-Aware, Spybot Search & Destory, Spyware Blaster, AVG and Firefox on it to make sure it didn't get infected. But yah, the time required to scan for malicious software was terrible.
She wanted to upgrade to something newer, so I sold her a laptop I had that runs Ubuntu Linux. I set it up to look almost i
Re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:2)
Re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:2)
I just wiped off a rootkit from my system. There was no removal program that could delete it and it liked to hang out at the MBR of my drive. I reformatted my disk and lost 6 years worth of data. For those who say I should have backed everything up, I will say I can not afford a nice tape drive and a scsi card since its a home system. So I am hosed.
My rootkit got installed from a video file that used a buffer overflow to install itself. No EULA
Re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:2)
I'm not sure where you get the idea that you need a tape drive + SCSI, an external USB hard drive would suffice.
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$15 - 25 pack dvd's (high end price)
To me that's cheap for 100gb of backup storage.
Re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:2)
But like I tell lots of customers, I'd *much* rather being doing something else for my money.
What is stopping you? Do you have some sort of obligation to charge people to take spyware off of their computers? Why not just get a new job, that you would *much* rather be doing?
re: different job? (Score:2)
The reason I point out my dislike of spyware removal jobs to customers is because I want them to be aware
Re: free speech for malware authors? (Score:2)
Fuck AnonCows.
Re:Bad for digiticians! (Score:3, Interesting)
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No, thanks (Score:4, Insightful)
1. It's not the job I wanted to do. If I wanted to clean up crap, I'd be a janitor. I'm a programmer. There's a difference. I'd rather spend my time coding or playing a game, than searching through someone's registry for crap
(The same goes, btw, for crap like "I bought an ancient scanner at a flea market. Can you please make it work?" Then it turns out it's an ancient SCSI model from back in the DOS times, that nowadays the manufacturer doesn't even admit ever having sold.)
2. How much _do_ you get paid for it anyway? If I were to charge someone, say, my consultant fee for that time (as an arbitrary measure of my time's worth: that's how much I'd get paid at work for that time), chances are they could just buy a new computer, including OS, for that money.
In practice most people I know get paid some token price, if at all. Even on
And let's go back to the "if at all" part. What most people seem to want isn't to pay a professional to have their computer serviced, but to mooch some free repairs off a nerd who (in their opinion) had nothing better to do with his time anyway. Asking for money, more often than not won't get you paid, it will just get them offended. (Though on the bright side, sometimes they're offended enough to stop asking for free tech support.)
Why threaten anything? (Score:5, Interesting)
Why bother threatening anything? Why not just file the complaint?
Re:Why threaten anything? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Why threaten anything? (Score:5, Interesting)
Otherwise you might end up in court, screaming, then when the defending party comes in, they will say "Oh, that's why I'm here ? Well, yeah, sure, why not, I don't mind, I'll do it". Then you look like a complete asshat who didn't want to resort to something OTHER than the court...
One of my friend is sueing someone for fraud (2000$) and as the policeman said, "Do everything you can (legally of course) to recover the cash. If talking doesn't work, THEN we'll file in a legal criminal complaint and it'll go to court. Because if you go to court and she simply agrees to pay, you look like the dumbass.
small claims court etc. (Score:3, Informative)
A dumbass who has his $2,000.
The cop said that because the court system is overloaded, nobody gives a crap, and they're hoping you just go away. The theory goes that you'll get worn out doing the "everything you can" bit, and by the time it comes to filing
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Too little... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Too little... (Score:5, Insightful)
Example: eAnthology/eAcceleration/Stop Sign, etc. I remember removing tons of their spyware apps. Now they advertise on national television for their Anti-Virus packages, claiming to "make it faster than the day you got it." Did they clean up their act? I have no idea, frankly. But I know people are buying it.
Re:Too little... (Score:2)
Indeed, speaking primarily as an end-user, as opposed to a programmer (because I haven't done a lot of it recently), I'm inclined to say that a lot of end-users have a hard time realizing that there is actually someone who is a "legitimate" company doing this to them. It is theoretically possible that someone would see 180Solutions as actively fighting spyware/adware, as opposed to simply being more passive in its support/
This is slashdot worthy? (Score:1, Flamebait)
Let this company die (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Let this company die (Score:2, Insightful)
The most obvious possiblity, I believe, is that they pay script-kiddies or teenagers to write their crap.
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Re:Let this company die (Score:2, Insightful)
Um, nope! Do spammers really think that the V14GR@ ads are going to appeal to someone? NOPE! There is one reason that they let this type of stuff happen - money
Most the the spyware crap that's installed has an almost interesting feature, but it's main purpose is to gather information. The most ethical of these just wants to see what websites you visit as well as a number of other metrics; less ethical wi
Re:Let this company die (Score:2)
Alas, even your job, somewhere down the line, is probably hurting someone or something. Very few paying jobs are innocent. Bombs don't build themselves, nor do animals inflict laboratory tests on themselves. It's all about what you, personally, will lower yourself to do for money, and there is no bottom.
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My Portfolio! (Score:2, Funny)
Spyware vs. Adware (Score:2, Informative)
Spyware = Gets information from your computer that you would not want some random schmuck knowing.
Adware = Shows an advertisement.
Malware = Does bad things to your system/configuration.
This article has successfully misused the term spyware once again. Just because adware often contains spyware, or acts as a gateway and downloads/installs spyware on yoru machine, does not make the adware itself spyware.
If you are going to use the terms, please use them correctly.
From the artic
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Re:Spyware vs. Adware (Score:1)
Like the sibling post says, they're all malware.
Re:Spyware vs. Adware (Score:2)
Erm, that's entirely accurate. Lots of people call anything of the sort spyware, even if all it does is display ads. That's linguistic shift for you.
Linguistic shifting can have profound effects... (Score:2)
A linguistic shift it may be, and probably not intentional at all, but rather the results of ignorance. That is not to say that linguistic shift is a good thing, however. In many cases, such shifts can be detrimental to downright nasty.
One of recent note that has been railed upon endlessly here and elsewhere has been the shift/mixing of the terms "cracker" ver
180 Solutions (Score:1)
Are we talking here about the same 180 solutions that would never install spyware using the holes of internet explorer [benedelman.org]?
180's nonconsensual installations -- video proof (Score:5, Interesting)
Most recently -- just last week! -- I posted video proof showing 180 installing even after users specifically decline and refuse 180. Details [benedelman.org].
Too little too late, indeed!
Re:180 Solutions (Score:2)
I knew a guy... (Score:2, Interesting)
makes sense now (Score:4, Informative)
"UPDATE, 5:44 p.m. ET: Spyware researcher Eric Howes points out that it is perhaps clearer to say that 180 will no longer allow third parties to install its software unless the method of install is first approved by 180. More specifically, the company will no longer let third-parties install its software via "ActiveX," a component included in Internet Explorer that spyware purveyors commonly abuse to install their wares with little or no interaction on the part of the user."
Wait.... (Score:2, Funny)
summary wrong (Score:1, Redundant)
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it is perhaps clearer to say that 180 will no longer allow third parties to install its software unless the method of install is first approved by 180. More specifically, the company will no longer let third-parties install its software via "ActiveX," a component included in Internet Explorer that spyware purveyors commonly abuse to install their wares with little or no int
Isn't this rather like... (Score:4, Funny)
Isn't this rather like promising you'll only beat your wife once a week from now on?
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They'll be back (Score:2)
Gettin' tired... (Score:2, Funny)
Thanks to 180 Solutions (Score:2, Insightful)
I can't believe I'm the first to say this... (Score:2, Funny)
Who is 180 Solutions? (Score:3, Funny)
The proper solution (Score:2)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Spyware/?p=655
Now we just need the same thing to happen in 49 other states, the legal fees alone should bankrupt the company! Just make sure it stays separate suits and is not allowed to merge into one big one.
All they had to do is threaten a complaint??? (Score:2)
So, all that one has to do is THREATEN a complaint to get something done about intrusive and abusive software? Please complain anyway, speaking on behalf of everyone I know, we don't like their business practices!