Do Penguins Topple When Planes Fly Over? 123
dannyspanner was among the teeming masses to point out that: "The BBC has a short story about some research that will be carried out to see if penguin colonies fall over when aircraft fly overhead. I hope they get some footage if they prove it's true ..." I secretly believe that news outlets like stories like this because penguins look so comical already -- thinking of them rolling around like duckpins (rather than the ultra-coordinated hero of Tuxracer) makes everybody laugh.
Tuxracer? (Score:1)
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suspicious timing (Score:2)
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Why is it so hard to believe? (Score:5)
I've seen little kids do it... if they can, why not a pinguin?
Re:I got (Score:1)
Bad Link (Score:3)
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Oh no - more lemmings jokes... (Score:1)
A cartoon started this? (Score:2)
Heck... (Score:1)
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
TuxRacer Link (Score:2)
If thats true... (Score:1)
That's not why (Score:1)
I bet they like stories like this so they get posted on Linux fanatic metanews sites [slashdot.org]
Must see... (Score:5)
http:// new s.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1000000/images/_1003469_pengu
Pablo Nevares, "the freshmaker".
Tho anals of science (Score:3)
I assume that somewhere in late October scientists with unused annual grants panick. There should be a journal for such researh:
how about:
THe Journal of "Pure" Science
international Sqanderer
Laughingstock Quarterly
Eyebrow Raiser Almanac
Re:Bouillabaisse can fly (Score:1)
This could be bad for the penguin population (Score:1)
Conspiracy theory (Score:1)
Tuxracer [tuxracer.org]. Kinda like the sound of that. Tuxracer [tuxracer.org]. Tuxracer [tuxracer.org].
Re:A cartoon started this? (Score:2)
So the story is at least 18 years old
Re:A cartoon started this? (Score:1)
as usual, the press made a story out of nothing (Score:1)
I doubt anybody would spend money on RN Helicopter time to see if penguins fall over watching aircraft... it's just a tease for the public. The real value would be determining what changes in behaviour are induced by loud, low-flying aircraft.
They say they are concerned that the penguins' ability to reproduce might be affected. Wouldn't yours? Kind of a no-brainer. What a waste of money.
This could actually have some scientific meaning (Score:2)
Re:A cartoon started this? (Score:1)
Uh huh (Score:1)
Sounds like they're just trying to prove a myth. Doesn't mean its wrong, just funny that's the first thing they can think of when they think of disrupting behavior.
This is an Urban Legend folks (Score:5)
Re:Conspiracy theory (Score:1)
Re:Heck... (Score:1)
QED
Re:Tuxracer? (Score:1)
treke
Its true I tell you! (Score:2)
experiments (Score:1)
If you read the article, their talking about how it could be causing problems with the penguins, yet, their going to do fly over repeatedly to find out for sure. So if it does cause problems, their just going to be making it worse.
Now, if it does cause problems, how are they going to handle it. Would they try to make a no flying zone over penguins like they have for the whitehouse?
Stupid researchers (Score:1)
Everyone knows that the penguins did their vertical rotation when a British pilot did a slow flyover in a Harrier jet. Who wouldn't watch?
I've seen it happen with people at the beach (Savannah, GA) watching a F4 Phantom do a low and slow overhead. Plane flys left to right, flys out over the ocean, flys back inland, people look up, flop over. But, no one looks up to see a helicopter.
Even better, why don't they try it with a B52 skimming the waves like in the days of SAC flying 24x7? That'll get their attention. Especially those savvy penguins that know what the payload is.
Or, do they want this test to fail? Helicopters are just annoying. Penguins won't be interested in looking up for that. To reproduce the results, one must reproduce the conditions.
Debunked Here too (Score:3)
With a explanation what really happens when fighter jets fly over a penguin colony...
This is the definitive site for debunking urban legends...
I recall... (Score:1)
Not a chance (Score:1)
Liebe, Livre, Libre.
See the article here. [snopes.com]
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No, they don't! (Score:2)
From: snyary@life.timeinc.com (Sasha Nyary )
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Penguins in the Falklands
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:06:13 -0500
I didn't see this on the UL Website, and I don't read this newsgroup often, so forgive me if this story is an old one. I recently got taken in by it and thought it was worth sharing. It's a great yarn -- too bad it's not true.
Here's the story, followed by the rebuttal:
Penguins and Pilots (supposedly from the Audubon Society magazine)
A Mexican newspaper reports that bored Royal Air Force pilots stationed on the Falkland Islands have devised what they consider a marvelous new game. Noting that the local penguins are fascinated by airplanes, the pilots search out a beach where the birds are gathered and fly slowly along it at the water's edge. Perhaps ten thousand penguins turn their heads in unison watching the planes go by, and when the pilots turn around and fly back, the birds turn their heads in the opposite direction, like spectators at a slow-motion tennis match. Then, the paper reports, "The pilots fly out to sea and return directly toward the penguin colony and over-fly it. Heads go up, up, up, and ten thousand penguins fall over gently onto their backs."
Captain Claire Lucas, RAF public relations officer in the Falkland Islands:
According to Captain Lucas, who laughed and said this is a great story but not true, this is one of those legendary tales that gets passed around and resurfaces periodically. She's heard the story before. She says the Penguins actually hate the noise and scatter as the planes approach the beach.
LeoC - posting as an AC because /. doesn't let me login anymore.
can't login (Score:1)
The RAF did it too (Score:2)
Also knew someone who died when HMS Sheffield sank out there:( Just bought back the memory:(
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Re:Tuxracer? (Score:1)
People... (Score:1)
Logos (Score:1)
Re:Logos (Score:1)
ummm.... (Score:1)
I wonder how much grant money it took to figure that out....
Re:Heck... (Score:1)
Re:Its true I tell you! (Score:1)
Shall we take up a collection?
I believe it.. (Score:2)
Yes, they do.. (Score:1)
From this base missions are sent to Antarctica.
Many years ago I read an article stating that the flight paths over the ice shelves had to be changed after many many peguins toppled after watching an aircraft fly directly over-head.
The truly funny part of the article was the mentioning of the need for people to travel to the penguins to help them back onto their feet.
Re:Heck... (Score:1)
Better URL for Tux Racer (Score:1)
http://tuxracer.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
Re: that's easy (Score:1)
Johan V.
Re:A cartoon started this? (Score:1)
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Polar Bears do this too!... (Score:2)
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
Re:TuxRacer Link (Score:1)
Is that a word?
If not I vote it be made one immediately, so much more _emphatic_ than 'broken'
bork, borken, borked, borking
sorry, 2 hours sleep, caffeine not kicking in yet, pump faster damn you heart, faster!
I remember hearing this (Score:1)
I thought that there was video of it occuring, but I could be mistaken on that point.
Re:experiments (Score:1)
Gotta admit I don't find that as surprising as the fact penguins do, always thought penguins were quite bright.
Re:Who gives a flying.... (Score:1)
Re:borken (Score:1)
"Research" (Score:1)
Looks like somebody just hit up the UK government for a grant to study something that doesn't really happen, and they just rubber-stamped it.
Hey, I heard that schools of fish in Tahiti keel over in droves whenever somebody on land farts! Seriously! I heard it on the Internet, so it must be true!
Quick, let's get our proposal ready and go down there!
Weird synchronicity... (Score:2)
Re:Yes, they do.. (Score:1)
Re:This is an Urban Legend folks (Score:1)
It would seem that the British government is just as wasteful as our own here in the USA!
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Re:Why is it so hard to believe? (Score:2)
Re:Tho anals of science (Score:3)
It was pretty much supersceded by the Annals of Improbable Research [improbable.com]. They're the folks responsible for the Ig Noble awards.
...phil
Re:This is true (Score:1)
-- flossie
http [2130706433] telnet [017700000001]
This stuff ain't new (Score:1)
Re:This is an Urban Legend folks (Score:2)
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Re:This could actually have some scientific meanin (Score:1)
The hurd has actually been booted before (Score:1)
Re:Its true I tell you! (Score:3)
Debugging info ? (Score:3)
If the penguins do fall over, are they going to run the results of their reasearch through ksymoops to find out why ?
This is a major problem why? (Score:1)
Why would this project get a research grant??? (Score:2)
So why is that such a big deal? Who cares if a couple of penguins fall over due to the odd passing plane? They live in such remote locations, the small amount of air traffic surely has minimal ecological impact. The problem is, places where penguins congregate are rapidly becoming commercially viable tourism destinations. There are a number of commercial airlines operating regular flights over the antarctic for example. The increase in air traffic may well pose an ecological threat, even if they don't land. The research is directly trying to ascertain whether or not we should place limits on such commercial activity.
All we have to go on at the moment is rumour, labelled by some here as urban myth. The tourism industry certainly won't take any notice of that sort of thing. What they might pay attention to is rigorous scientific evidence which points to the ecological impact of tourist activities in these fairly fragile environments. God knows they probably won't even take notice of that (eg tobacco industry's relationship with the scientific community), but it at least provides grounds for governments to put in place regulations. The situation we have at the moment, of conjecture and rumour, does not allow for any of that to happen. Who knows? We might even find out that there are no grounds to the speculation at all - I wouldn't mind taking a holiday to Antarctica...
Re:A cartoon started this? (Score:5)
Outland wasn't a "horrible rip off". It was a diversion from BC because Berke Breathed was tired of doing a daily.
And here's the original strip we were talking about. [cpoon.com]
what makes this interesting is (Score:1)
Re:This is an Urban Legend folks (Score:4)
Wow, that's interesting. I had not heard about the Brits doing a study! I wonder where I could learn more about such a study...
Very important research (Score:1)
penguins (Score:1)
Re:I believe it.. (Score:1)
Don't you guys read SNOPES? (Score:1)
--- Speaking only for myself,
Re:TuxRacer Link (Score:1)
Re:Oh no - more lemmings jokes... (Score:1)
I dunno about airplanes... (Score:2)
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The Conspiracy (Score:1)
Oh wait, I guess I'm getting alittle to into politics these days... I better lay off the coffee
(note to people reading this... this was ment as comedy, dense people need not reply)
GAH, i should have submitted this (Score:1)
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My Penguin Experiences (Score:4)
Anyway some of the colonies were about 50000+ birds, just a huge crown of penguins. It was chick hatching season, and all the birds were sitting on their eggs/chicks. When skuas (agressive antarctic bird of prey - huge attitudes) swooped over the colony all the nesting penguins would crouch over their eggs and young like a mexican wave.
They'd probably do the same for planes.
It must be said ... (Score:1)
"Aww, he's no fun ... he fell right over!"
Re:Why is it so hard to believe? (Score:1)
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Re:This is an Urban Legend folks (um....) (Score:2)
the 'Debunked here too' message, but if you
believe the original one, then you're just as
guilty of believing anything you read on the
Internet as those who believe that penguins do
this.
The strongest argument the referenced document
offers it that people overanthropomorphise things.
The strongest words used are 'there isn't much
reason to believe it'.
I'll need a better debunking than that. I mean,
I don't categorically believe that it *does*
happen; but this sure as hell isn't proof that it
doesn't.
funiest home videos (Score:1)
Re:BIg report (Score:1)
Re:Penguins (Score:2)
So that's why they fall over! To mate! You genius, you've single handedly explained the whole phenomenon!
It's a good thing you posted, otherwise they might have stopped lettings planes fly over, which would put penguins at risk of never getting laid again. I doubt penguins could adjust to that as easily as you have.
My mom is not a Karma whore!
Fairly redundant, but: (Score:2)
Two things-
penguins rarely bother looking up. They have very few predators from the sky (the local turkey buzzards will grab eggs and sickly young)
The noise of jets and helicopters spooks them so they leg it
Amusingly though, back in the days right after the conflict, a C130 hercules flanked by two F4 phantoms used to do the Christmas mail run round the settlements. They'd come in at under 50 feet, phantoms just above stall speed and hercules batting it's little engines out and pull up over each settlement to drop mail and presents.
The sudden noise used to make everyone fall over. As a young teenager I loved it:)
Frog51
Re:Why is it so hard to believe? (Score:1)
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Re:I recall... (Score:1)
Na, Oliver Wendell Jones used a Bananna Junior (parody of the original Mac). It's still the funniest strip ever -- "Olive loaf mime whacker" that's deranged.
Whenever something is happening in the news, I always wonder what take Berke Breathed would do on it in Bloom County. With Pat Buchannan hijacking the Reform Party, I wonder who would be hijacking the Meadow Party right now.
Don't tell Bill!! (Score:1)
Oh the horror!!!
And Here's a Picture (Score:2)
Re:"Research" (Score:1)
Well you may not be far off the mark...
Well I do remember one University getting a fat grant to study the effects of alcohol on young people...with most of the research involving giving students money to go out and pi**ed whilst being electronically monitored.
Unsurprisingly they had a flood of applicants. Hey wouldn't you be a guinea pig if someone say we'll pay you to get drunk in the name of science!
Re:Tho anals of science (Score:4)
//rdj
Re:This is an Urban Legend folks (Score:1)
In an unrelated note if anyone happens to have a camera they want to get rid of that can display decent pictures at 3 to 10 lux, I know someone that has a place [abnormal.com] to put a camera that a number of penguins walk by every day.
This one got mangled (Score:2)
The story about them falling over has been added by somebody in a news agency somewhere who had heard the story from a "friend of a friend", or possibly the research team have heard the story and believe it.
Re:My Penguin Experiences (Score:2)
There was a show on PBS earlier in the week that had some footage of an underwater camera showing penguins swim. The Life of Birds, I think. Pretty impressive behavior for a bird.
> When skuas (agressive antarctic bird of prey - huge attitudes) swooped over the colony all the nesting penguins would crouch over their eggs and young like a mexican wave.
Perhaps the source of the airplanes myth?
Actually it is true (Score:2)
Fly a helicopter slowly towards the beach, just high enough for the little darlings to not scatter and they will indeed watch it until they topple over backwards.
Just because one PR officer says it aint so, doesn't mean that those who have actually seen it are lying. Apparently it is quite hysterical (and it is sheep, not penguins that can't get up when they fall on their backs).
Gates flying planes over Transmeta (Score:2)
to fall on his back in the parking lot.