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Comment: Re:Not somuch (Score 2) 397

by war4peace (#47397963) Attached to: No Shortage In Tech Workers, Advocacy Groups Say

Well structured comment, but there's one tiny thing that you (and most companies, for that matter) didn't consider.
Most companies (actually ALL companies I have information about) make the same big mistake: they mix cultures together in teams. It's a bad decision. of course, they're trying to be "politically correct" and shooting themselves in the foot in the process.

Something happened by mistake in our company during a reorg. Two large development teams were reorganized with developers being moved from one team to another. Incidentally, most Indian employees were clumped together in a team while US- and Romania-based were clumped together in another. Everybody expected a dip in performance while the dust settled, but, surprisingly for most, there was a sizeable boost in performance seen almost immediately. Luckily, the group director was an Indian born and raised in the USA, so he was able to efficiently deal with both cultures and everything was moving to and fro through him.

Some might yell "boo racism" but it has nothing to do with that. It's all about work culture as well as communication issues between different cultures due to idiosyncrasies and language barriers et caetera. There are many culturally-specific differences that can make or break a work relationship, starting with how you shake hands, which hand you use to eat french fries, how you point out someone else's mistake and ending with how you greet a female co-worker.

Random example: You could greet an American female colleague with "hello, gorgeous" with very little chance she'd be offended. You never ever should greet an Indian female co-worker the same way.

So yeah, it's a "pick your poison" kind of thing: either clump similar cultures together and risk being accused of racism, or mix them up and end up with a clusterfuck of low productivity due to cultural clashes.

Comment: Re:Two sides to every issue (Score 1) 397

by war4peace (#47397927) Attached to: No Shortage In Tech Workers, Advocacy Groups Say

You shouldn't have gone this path :)
OK, I risk sounding like the guy I responded to, but here goes, and please bear with me while I move forward.
I live in a third world country... maybe 2nd world but I'd say it's somewhere in between. The minimum wage here is around 1.5 USD/h. The average salary is around 2.9 USD/h. I make close to 5.
Not sure how much a Senior Business Intelligence Analyst working with Big Data makes in the US, but AFAIK the average is north of 40 USD/h. I understand it wildly depends on which state you work in and other lesser impacting factors, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I work for an US-based company (big one, relatively hated here on /.) and according to what I heard from my USA peers I'm paid around 1/8th of what I would make there.
Now my salary here is decent for the country I live in. But it's not just the money. It's the environment, everything else that constitutes living. it's the pollution, how people behave, the ugly characters, the stray dog infestation that lasted for decades and never was taken care of, etc. I'm currently trying to find a job and move abroad (not to the USA, you're safe :)) because I want my children to live decent lives and I want them to learn what respect is. Here, illiterate gypsies (for example) make more money through stealing and scamming in a month that my whole extended family makes in a lifetime, and that's just one random example out of many which drive me to find a better place somewhere else where I could live in peace.

Yes, I'd be willing to work for less than someone based in that country would ask, because frankly it's the only thing that's taken into consideration when I'm applying for a job abroad. The employer won't only look at skills. They will look at financial gains coming off recruiting me, and yes, I'm willing to let go of that big plasma TV or that shiny new car and settle for no TV, no car and renting a 3-room flat instead of owning a bigger house.

I'm aware I'm ruining the market and lowering the salaries by accepting less than someone local would accept, and I'm sorry about that, but if you think about it and go past the knee-jerk reaction ("he's stealing our workplaces!"), I'm merely taking what I see as an opportunity to offer my family what I think they deserve. We're nice people, with similar cultural views (the main reason I want to move abroad) so much that the only thing that would point us out as foreigners would be some faint accent while speaking (more so when very tired or tipsy - or both). My best friend is from Colorado (we never met IRL, by the way).

And when you think about it, it would be mutually beneficial for me to move, because right now the simple fact that I'm working here for 1/8th the US salary is worse (for both you and me) than me working there for 60% of it.

Comment: Re:Two sides to every issue (Score 5, Interesting) 397

by war4peace (#47396289) Attached to: No Shortage In Tech Workers, Advocacy Groups Say

Total BS. I'd take a American IT worker with an inflated ego over a corporate bean counter any day. I've been in the IT field since 1979, and trust me, I'm an expert in my speciality. They might be able to replace me with someone and pay then 1/2 of what I make, but they're not going to get my skillset.

Do you realize you just confirmed what GP's saying?

"Trust me, I'm THAT good".
"No foreigner has my skillset".
"I'm an expert".

Seen quite a few people with exactly those statements who were smashed from a skillset perspective by some guy whose name one needs half a day to spell properly (e.g. Kumar Bheemasandralakshminarayana).
Never say never.

On a more general note, more often than not people substitute a thick accent with lack of intelligence. "He can't speak English very well therefore he's dumb". They couldn't be further from the truth.

The person who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.

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