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Comment Re:Yes they did. (Score 1) 572 572

Um... The use of Microsoft TMG/ISA for Outlook Web Access publishing is pretty out of date. And that use was usually limited to only that one use; as a proxy for Exchange. Although ISA had web-proxy capability that was VERY rarely utilized. So basically if you have a TMG, 9 times out of 10 that has nothing to do with capturing end-user web traffic. There are plenty of other products that do do that. Websense is an industry leader that can be integrated with Cisco networking gear for example. Paul

Comment Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (Score 1) 312 312

Well that is not such as easy argument as you make it out to be. There has indeed been controversy about medical research based on the "work" done in Nazi concentration camps. The ethical debate about that isn't as easy as you make it out to be here. You make arguments that are internally inconsistent but which justify you getting products that lawfully should be paid for by deciding how to interpret your objection to those laws. Again I'd ask "Explain how your actions are distinguishable from someone trying to get away without paying for these copyrighted products?"

Comment Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (Score 1) 312 312

If I thought something was the product of an unethical system like slavery I wouldn't find a way to get a copy of it so I could enjoy it. Your arguments don't make sense except as an excuse for you to download/pirate things. If you TRULY thought the system of copyright was unethical you wouldn't participate in that market.

Comment Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (Score 1) 312 312

First of all before this post you kept saying "real property" which was quite confusing and I couldn't see the connection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_property So you disagree with copyright infringement laws? Explain again how your actions are distinguishable from someone trying to get away without paying for these copyrighted products?

Comment Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (Score 1) 312 312

Wasn't attempting a personal attack.. I really don't see how you can go from "that's not ethical" to deciding it is ethical to then take that for free. Would you go from deciding that property ownership isn't ethical to then going into stores and stealing their goods? or would you instead decide to try to do without those things?

Comment Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (Score 1) 312 312

If you don't accept it as ethical you have the option to refuse to participate in that market. (By not buying or using copyrighted software or material like books or movies.) It seems awfully like you are just finding a convenient justification to refuse to pay for something.

Comment Re:Would you walk into a Best Buy etc (Score 1) 312 312

Well at least one of the posts here didnt' say "I really can't afford this so I pirate it", it referenced the company's management as justification for the pirating. How does one ethically decide which software to spend the money on and which to 'pirate'? I work for a software company and I guess for my livelihood I have to hope that people spend the money on our product rather than deciding they already spent their funds and instead decided to pirate our product?

In these matters the only certainty is that there is nothing certain. -- Pliny the Elder

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