"leave this place as somewhere to discuss the technology on it's own merits."
How do you discuss the technology on its own merits when those claiming superiority of a given technology rely on a bunch of soft metrics and "social costs" which are highly debatable? My electricity bill in CA is 3X the national average because of energy policies PUT IN PLACE BY POLITICIANS. California wants to fight climate change. How does that make any sense when China can freely bring on dozens of new coal plants every month? Some of us are trying to figure out how to put our kids through college while policies PUT IN PLACE BY POLITICIANS are costing us thousands of dollars a year in higher energy costs.
Philosophy: A route of many roads leading from nowhere to nothing. -- Ambrose Bierce