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Comment: you can, but you're at a disadvantage (Score 1) 314

by spiffmastercow (#43677337) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Becoming a Programmer At 40?
So you can certainly learn to code, and probably just as well as someone right out of school (that whole "learning is easier when you're young" thing is a crock of shit). The problem is that you will be *perceived* as "over the hill", "set in your ways", "too expensive", or just plain "too old" when interviewing for jobs. Ageism is rampant in the software development world -- I got a taste or two of it before I had even turned 30. That said, you might as well go for it, as it doesn't sound like you have better options, and with enough effort you *can* succeed, despite the ageism you'll face.

Comment: Re:Older workers cost more. (Score 1) 365

by spiffmastercow (#43587547) Attached to: Can Older Software Developers Still Learn New Tricks?
Lock contention is just another algorithm problem. You can avoid it pretty well with producer/consumer queues or even something like an actor model. Young vs old is again irrelevant, though the young guy might have the upper hand if he took one of the parallel programming courses they teach nowadays.

Comment: Re:Older workers cost more. (Score 1) 365

by spiffmastercow (#43586407) Attached to: Can Older Software Developers Still Learn New Tricks?

Will a new programmer know "this works well for this kind of problem", compared to "I can find a library that does this but I don't know/care how it works (and it really sucks at speed)".

If the new programmer paid attention in his algorithms class, he should know the answer to that one just as well as the old guy..

Comment: Re:Older workers cost more. (Score 2) 365

by spiffmastercow (#43586039) Attached to: Can Older Software Developers Still Learn New Tricks?

Any other excuse for not hiring them is a smokescreen

Here's my excuse: Any old fart is going to have a deep network of contacts. If they have a good reputation, then they can use these contacts to quickly find new employment. So any old fart trying to find a job by replying to web ads is almost certainly a turd. I have hired plenty of old farts that I knew professionally, or were referred by people I trust, and have mostly been happy with them. I have never interviewed an old fart random responder that I wanted to hire.

I had an old fart come in as a contractor after retiring as a manager in a government agency. One of the best coders we ever had. I had another kid come right out of school, another great coder. We also had a slew of good, bad, and mediocre programmers, all with varying ages. Age has nothing to do with it.

Comment: Re:Trained != competent (Score 1) 344

by spiffmastercow (#43561733) Attached to: New Study Suggests No Shortage of American STEM Graduates

I'm a long-time Googler. Part of the job is conducting technical interviews. Which means that I spend many hours each week talking to people who, despite their impressive resumes and academic degrees from world-class institutions, *can't program a fucking computer*.

Don't talk to me about a sufficiency of trained workers until one of them shows up for an interview with some grasp of the fetch-execute cycle.

Are you really doing that much assembly coding at google? Maybe you are, but if I was going for a google interview I would brush up on things like time complexity, tree structures, and combinatorics, and would probably fail your test because I don't memorize the names of all the steps of "look at the register, increment the register and load the memory address in another register, execute the memory in that register, repeat".

Comment: Re:No New Workers is a Problem - College Hires (Score 1) 344

by spiffmastercow (#43560959) Attached to: New Study Suggests No Shortage of American STEM Graduates

If companies want to stop paying people like me too much money they should be hiring young (cheap) workers to put downward pressure on wages. That doesn't happen because it's seen as easier to just go off-shore.

Exactly what the company I work for did. Dumped the offshore workers and their appalling work and hired a ton of entry level developers mostly right out of college with low pay. The young devs are out the door as soon as they get 1-2 years of experience.

Did you try increasing their pay to match their increased productivity from their increased skillset?

Comment: Re:"STEM" is a useless grouping (Score 1) 344

by spiffmastercow (#43558875) Attached to: New Study Suggests No Shortage of American STEM Graduates
I think creativity,problem solving, and math are the most important aspects of a good SE. Everything else can be learned pretty quickly. The basics of time complexity and data structures can be learned in a weekend. OOP/Design Patterns/SD Processes are something a new grad would still be learning anyway, and aren't terribly difficult. Tons of other skills are easy to learn as well. I'd like to know specifically what skills you think would require so much learning that it would be unfeasible to make the transition from hard science with programming experience to software engineering.

Comment: Re:"STEM" is a useless grouping (Score 3, Interesting) 344

by spiffmastercow (#43557775) Attached to: New Study Suggests No Shortage of American STEM Graduates

I totally agree that we should retrain, but having a PhD in Astronomy says almost nothing about that persons ability to become a competent software engineer. They are two completely different disciplines. Some would love it and be excellent at it, others would hate it and suck at it.

Generally speaking, someone with a PhD in Astronomy has done a fair amount of coding to implement their ideas. It's not far to go from scientific computing to Software Engineering, and in fact such a person would likely have a better math background than most of his fellow SEs.

Comment: Re:"STEM" is a useless grouping (Score 1) 344

by spiffmastercow (#43557517) Attached to: New Study Suggests No Shortage of American STEM Graduates

So you are saying that we need more 3l33t Astronomers because the job market for them is terrible?

"Lumping these folks together with the legions of code hackers is ridiculous."

When you learn the difference between a Software Engineer and a "code hacker" you might be able to make an intelligent post. Until then, you are just another clueless guy without a job spitting out sour grapes because we don't need as many pie in the sky theorists as we do people who actually produce useful technology that solves today's problems.

I'd be willing to bet that someone with a PhD in astronomy could become a software engineer in a relatively short time... Maybe we should retrain our existing workforce instead of importing indentured servants?

Comment: Re:Employability (Score 5, Insightful) 344

by spiffmastercow (#43557431) Attached to: New Study Suggests No Shortage of American STEM Graduates

In fact, I'm one of those meritocratic boogeymen that thinks our borders should be open with nothing more than a background check into your criminal record before you're granted entrance to the United States

TPTB would never allow it. If imported talent weren't tied to a sponsoring corporation, they would be free to better their lot through job movement and wages would rise.

Can't be having that.

I would say we should only have this arrangement with countries that agree to the same conditions. It's worked out well for the Commonwealth nations, and I don't see why it wouldn't work for us.

Comment: Efficiency of government (Score 1) 694

Work on making it cost less for government to work. This means allowing greater discretion for pay raises, fewer government contractors, more government FTE's, incentives to spend less, rather than the current incentives to spend more (e.g. remove the system where your project loses funding next year if you don't spend your entire budget in the current year), and allowing government workers to be fired or laid off for incompetence. In addition, the red tape *really* needs to be addressed. There's some real talent in the government worker pool, but their work is often stifled by onerous approval processes and mandates from top-level executives that really should not be making ground-level decisions.

Comment: Re:Tax day bombing (Score 1) 1105

by spiffmastercow (#43459081) Attached to: Explosions at the Boston Marathon
Granted there may be a sampling bias, but the social media age has made things much worse. my family, who were mostly apolitical when I was growing up, have mostly become conspiracy theorists since Obama took office. If you saw how mainstream this kind of shit is in places like Oklahoma, you might be concerned about it too.

Comment: Re:Tax day bombing (Score 1) 1105

by spiffmastercow (#43458979) Attached to: Explosions at the Boston Marathon

Liberals might say some dumb shit from time to time, but they don't often go around proposing to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them the way right wingers tend to.

Liberals who do that are called goths

No, they're called anarchists.. I've met a few of them, too. Jackasses like the ones in Seattle during the G8 (or 6, or whatever, can't remember what the number was) or in the ALF. They're out there, but they're not nearly as common as the right wingers. What freaks me out isn't that there are *some* right wingers that do this, it's that *most* right wingers are cavalier in their attitude about killing.

Comment: Re:Tax day bombing (Score 1) 1105

by spiffmastercow (#43458887) Attached to: Explosions at the Boston Marathon

My point about the minimum wage is that it only loosely correlates to employment, as employers will pay the absolute minimum they can per employee, regardless of the benefit they see from the employee. It might hurt some businesses at the margins, and increase prices a bit, but could seriously put a dent in our poverty problem.

You should really buy an economics book. The rest of your post.....isn't that the same as saying video games caused someone to kill? BTW it entertains me that you think having your town bombed would give you more perspective on the topic, when it could as easily narrow your perspective.

I'm just saying that if several million right wingers say it in jest, a few of them aren't going to get the joke, and think it's for real. I've been all over, and I've seen many kinds of people, but the only kind that scare me more than right wingers are meth addicts (there tends to be some overlap there, which leads to a very scary combination). Liberals might say some dumb shit from time to time, but they don't often go around proposing to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them the way right wingers tend to. As for the economics thing.. If you're really worried about the minimum wage, you're looking in the wrong place in terms of employment costs. Obamacare is going to roughly double the cost of hiring a minimum wage employee, compared to the 20% pay increase from a wage hike. If we went the sensible route and had a tax-based health care system like every other country in the first world employers wouldn't have to shoulder that burden. A basic income might be a better system than a minimum wage from an economics perspective, but that has exactly zero chance of ever happening in the US.

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