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  • How is this dystopian future any less realistic than the unrealised dystopian future that so many conservative pundits swore up and down we would see under President Obama?
    • Detroit?
      • Please elaborate. I'm not sure how Detroit answers my question. Immediately I don't see how the POTUS - regardless of who they are and what party they represent - really has much to do with the collapse of the motor city.
        • Fair point. It's certainly the case that the President's control over specific events is indirect on a good day.
          Nevertheless, I'll double down on my argument that the ideas which President Obama espouses are highly congruent with the ones that made Detroit the success it is today.
          In defense of Obama, the Republican counter-arguments are. . .wait. . .where did they go?
          What a godforsaken mess.
          • Fair point. It's certainly the case that the President's control over specific events is indirect on a good day.

            I can't really envision how any president - live, dead, or theoretical - could have saved Detroit any more so than any president could have prevented New Orleans from being damaged by Hurricane Katrina.

            Nevertheless, I'll double down on my argument that the ideas which President Obama espouses are highly congruent with the ones that made Detroit the success it is today.

            I would say that is an oversimplification. There is plenty of blame to go around on the disaster that is Detroit. Much of what we see is the result of one city going pretty well all-in on a single industry and not forming a backup plan when that industry decides it no longer wants that city.

            In defense of Obama, the Republican counter-arguments are. . .wait. . .where did they go?

            Are we still

            • I would say that is an oversimplification. There is plenty of blame to go around on the disaster that is Detroit. Much of what we see is the result of one city going pretty well all-in on a single industry and not forming a backup plan when that industry decides it no longer wants that city.

              We're diverging, sir. Back you original question:

              How is this dystopian future any less realistic than the unrealised dystopian future that so many conservative pundits swore up and down we would see under President Obama?

              The dystopian future of which "so many conservative pundits swore up and down" is the generalization of Detroit: more an more resources consumed by the process, so that the product dies.
              Yesterday I blew a day of vacay and videoed MIRC [virginia.gov] hearings. This is Medicaid expansion. In defense of the presenters, they seemed sincere in their desire to do their jobs.
              However, I just don't believe the fundamental http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_bill_of_rights [wikipedia.org] any of i

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