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Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 1) 442

by segedunum (#49375169) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen

However, you are forgetting another crucial piece of evidence, the descent rate, which we have from radar data.

It means absolutely nothing until you look at the aircraft, it's data and ultimately why that actually happened.

It seems to be consensus on every source I read, that the very smooth descend rate must be autopilot controlled, and setting the autopilot's target altitude is pretty involved, and must be done intentionally.

Consensus and 'I read that' has no place in air crash investigation. Many puzzling voice recordings have been taken from crashes until the data recorder was found and the plane wreckage examined.

That said, yes, they were very fast with laying the blame on the co-pilot. Disturbingly so. Let's hope the investigation will actually continue, though the plane was disintegrated, and the they're even publicly saying that the second recorder might never be found.

One can only hope that the data recorder is recovered and the plane can be pieced back together by some competent investigators. However, I have an awful feeling that won't be found and that won't happen.

Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 1) 442

by segedunum (#49375149) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen

If you hear sounds of the captain banging on the door, it certainly tells you he was locked out.

Without data it tells you nothing. Many crashes have been a complete mystery from a cockpit recording point-of-view until the data recorder has been found, which in this case, it doesn't look like we're going to get.

Doesn't explain the constant breathing, reprogramming of the flight system to descend, and the captain being locked out. Even if the co-pilot was unconscious, the captain should be able to unlock the door. And if there was a fire and noxious fumes, the co-pilot would put on his oxygen mask.

Ahhh, yes, the calm breathing. Headsets give clarity to voices, not background noises. If you can hear breathing.....it isn't calm.

It's kinda hard to extrapolate a note from a doctor if it wasn't there, unless you want to accuse the investigators of fabricating evidence.

You're just continually shooting around in the dark with nothing to say.

Many people have doctor's notes of all kinds. Proves zilch.

Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 1) 442

by segedunum (#49375127) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen

Never let bothersome facts or evidence get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. After all, if you dig down a few layers of turtles, you can convince yourself that any of these "facts" are simply manufactured, and therefore are evidence of the conspiracy themselves.

Yes, you can convince yourself of anything if you start looking into the private lives of anyone.

Of course, it's totally implausible to think that this investigation would be conducted in anything like a standard fashion.

Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 1) 442

by segedunum (#49375073) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen
There is no conclusion.........because the investigation into this has not been completed. You're running around in circles, as you have been doing through this entire thread. This ain't standard practice.

Of course, the leaked transcript may be in error, but given that the prosecutor agrees with the conclusions, it's unlikely to differ in a significant way.

Holy shit, you really are an idiot...........

In addition, the 'breathing' statement is most interesting. Headsets and communication equipment are calibrated to give clarity to voices, not background sounds. If you can hear breathing.......it certainly isn't calm.

I think that concludes this thread of denial.

Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 1) 442

by segedunum (#49366063) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen
I'm afraid you don't have any audio recording. It hasn't been released. There is a supposed transcript leaked to German media, but it is pure hearsay nor is it anything like official. It wasn't produced in a press conference with any kind of normal explanation or Q and A. Additionally, pilot and cockpit's associations do not agree with how this has been done at all:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...

The German Airline Pilots Association pointed out that the flight data recorder was still missing and that the reasons that led to the crash could only be determined once all data had been examined.

The European Cockpit Association said the release of voice recorder data was a "serious breach" of globally accepted rules. It said many questions remained unanswered.

Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 1) 442

by segedunum (#49365909) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen
Recordings give you an indication that something strange might be going on, but from there you have to find other evidence from the data recorder or even a reconstruction of the plane itself to find out was actually going on and match it up.

People are extrapolating an awful lot from a bunch of sounds.

Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 1) 442

by segedunum (#49365861) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen

No, he's the only one talking to the press about what the conclusions are. Which is pretty typical.

It's not typical. You'd get an air accident investigation team talking about it.

......and those conclusions are being made before any full investigation has been made or a report has been produced or before anyone has understood what happened to the plane as a result.

Do you see the massive hole you've dug for yourself here?

Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 1) 442

by segedunum (#49365851) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen

Normally you wouldn't get anything official either, in the days after the crash.

You'd certainly get a press conference detailing what is going to be done, asking for calm and the time to let the investigators do their work without any ridiculous speculation.

These investigations usually takes weeks-months, sometimes even years before the official report comes out.

Yer, I think you need to re-read back what you've written there, comprehend what it means and then have a look at the conclusions the prosecutor has come to before such an investigation has been completed.

Of course, if they had kept quiet for months, and then came out with the voice recorder tapes, people like you would have cried conspiracy because it took so long.

No. I don't know where you get that idea nor why you're winding yourself up in the word 'conspiracy'. Certainly, in the absence of some or all of the data it is essential the plane is reconstructed as much as possible, and given the state of it and the wide area of wreckage that will take some considerable time - as it always does. Without matching up the state of the aircraft, what has happened to it and retrieving any data possible any voice data useless.

It's always amusing to me that anyone who questions anything is somehow a 'conspiracy theorist', and then anti-conspiracy theorists then ironically become the biggest conspiracy nuts of all. They start throwing stories about aliens and other stuff into the mix to try and make it seem all so unbelievable.

Comment: Re:And what good would it do? (Score 0) 442

by segedunum (#49365781) Attached to: Why the Final Moments Inside a Cockpit Are Heard But Not Seen

If the voice recorder clearly tells you that the pilot was locked out of the cockpit

A voice recorder most certainly does not tell you that at all, and it certainly does not tell you how or why. After that, whatever you extrapolate is null and void.

and at the same time the plane enters a steep but controlled descent, that is not "ridiculous speculation". At best, there's a small chance of an alternative explanation, but it's certainly not ridiculous to start with the most logical one.

Again, you're leading yourself into ridiculous explanations. There can be a plane electrical failure, cockpit fire, release of noxious fumes.......anything is possible before you start sending the heavies around to a pilot's house to dig about in his personal belongings from which you can extrapolate *anything*. Point is, in an air CRASH investigation you eliminate those things first.

You're just continually shooting around in the dark with nothing to say.

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