I like how you're thinking.
Windows ce/mobile agree, but I carried a Palm OS phone for awhile, and it was ok. It ran all the apps from my Pilot and worked OK as a phone. Later I migrated to Blackberry and never looked back. All the capabilities that the Treo should have had and dead nuts reliable. If the offshore admins at my current company could figure out how to keep BES up, I'd still be on Blackberry. Current phone is Android (not Samsung, and I have no intention of marching lockstep with zombie-Jobs) so I guess I'll just get some popcorn and watch the carnage.
> Also, I find it laughable that so many republicans are concerned about 'welfare' and 'entitlement' yet happily sign on for farm subsidy bills that cost trillions, to keep the votes from fat-ass, lazy, uneducated, corn-fed, bigoted midwesterners rollin' right in.
I'm guessing you've never worked on a farm.
"But they all have smart phones". True, and that doesn't invalidate the XP type interface as superior on the desktop. Granted, phones and tablets are a growing market and desktop not so much, but Microsoft *owns* the desktop, and that would be a big enough market to make a nice living for some time, if they weren't so adamant about forcing a touch interface on it. It's natural for them to want to stretch into markets where they traditionally don't do so well, but they seem stubbornly trying to shoehorn one GUI into all environments. With Windows Mobile, that meant having an inappropriate interface in a market segment where they weren't doing well anyway, but with Windows 8, they're screwing with their base. It doesn't make any damned sense.
The difference here is that the Ukraine already knows what it's like to be under Russian rule. I could imagine that they'd be pretty desperate for that to not happen again.
I know what KVM means, thanks, but you weren't clear about what kind of machines you're using them on.
I'm in IT and I wouldn't have any problem with Classic Shell itself being on a Win8x computer. I use it myself, after all.
And neither would I, if I was forced to use Windows 8. (We as a company decided not to deploy 8. We will stick with 7 and revisit when 9 comes out. We also skipped Vista, incidentally.) The thing is, as an administrator, I don't get to make the rules. The architects don't even make the rules. They make recommendations to management, who then cross reference with legal and others before making the final decision. We (as a company) would not deploy a tool like Classic Shell for the same reason we would not run our business on CentOS. (Which is a fine build -- I use it for prototyping.) It's not a functional issue.
And at home... we had a laptop with touch screen that had been upgraded to 8.1 Pro (or whatever they call it). It was easier to reinstall 7 Pro (from "system recovery") than try to figure out all the absurdities in 8. So even there, we were not forced to use 8, so I again had no use for Classic Shell.
Sigh. KVM = Keyboard, Video, Mouse. It's an IT term.
If you don't understand that, you're also unlikely to understand IT management's aversion to installing "free" (uncontrolled, unwarrantied) software on business machines. Especially such a crucial thing as a GUI enhancement that would be commonly used by every PC user. It doesn't matter what you think of this; it's a real thing and a serious obstacle to Enterprise adoption.
Or... maybe they didn't give them all up?
> Would they actually launch a nuke at their neighbor?
As a last act before being completely overwhelmed by a superior force... what do you think?
Well, you can almost see the logic in it, if the product line was managed by idiots. "We tried forcing the start button and walking menus on a phone, and that wasn't very popular. I know! Let's make a touch only interface that works ok on a phone, and force it onto the desktop!"
It's almost as if management was purposely trying to turn Microsoft into a much smaller company.
I've been running 8.1 on my work computer since it came out. It's really not bad with Classic Shell installed to give it a sane interface again. I never even see the Start Screen, by choice.
On consumer machines, Windows 8.1 is also not bad with Windows 7 Pro installed. Except that, well, you know, it's not Windows 8.1 anymore. And that's a good thing.
Yes, that's in keeping with the practice of using the same code base everywhere. In the Windows Mobile days, Microsoft thought a start button was a good idea on a phone. Clearly it wasn't. Now they're trying to push a touch-only interface onto the desktop. That's clearly also not working. But besides that, windows 8's concepts of hot corners the way they've hidden everyday operations, and the lack of conveyance in the interface itself, (IE, it's not apparent what to touch or even what objects are touchable and which are not) makes it not really the best interface on a tablet either.
I will grant that Windows 8 is better on a tablet than on a PC, but there are better designed tablet interfaces.
Not the point. If you look hard enough, you'll find fans of every single product Microsoft farts out, including ME and Microsoft Bob. With a large enough installed base, it approaches a statistical certainty that someone somewhere enjoyed it, no matter how odious. Just as the world's least liked food is probably enjoyed by a few individuals.
But the stories of people who "love" windows 8 have a sameness about them that seems to indicate that (a) they're oft-repeated stories about the same person, or (b) they're made-up. Personally I go for (b), but concede there is a possibility of (a). Hell, I know someone who doesn't mind her Windows 8 tablet too much, but she spends well over 90% of her time in Internet Explorer, and is 100% a content consumer, so she misses out on much of the pain. Maybe Microsoft should feature her in commercials.
"My kid got a Surface RT for his birthday and won't put it down. He sometimes gets tangled in the power cord when he sleeps with it at night. We have to take it away from him at dinner and he cries and cries." "I brought home my Windows tablet and my four daughters immediately loved it. They have all abandoned their ipads and they fight over who gets to use Windows 8." Well, ok if you say so. But didn't I hear that story from someone else last week? And the week before? Is there maybe a memo going around of two or three "success stories" that everyone is supposed to repeat?
j don't believe that one either.
It's possible (billly gates??) that this is a joke and it's gone zoom! right over my head. But assuming for a moment it's legit:
Yeah, sorry, that's a made-up story. Test by: (1) the great majority hate Windows 8 as you're well aware. The story of people loving 8 is usually some kid who just can't put it down, and how it's old fogeys who can't move with the times who want their start button back. That story is getting old. (2) "Windows 9 will be a refined balanced UI" etc etc, something that neither you nor any non-Microsoft person could know.
8 is a disaster. 9 might be more or less of a disaster -- it's too early to tell. With Ballmer gone, I have hopes that Microsoft will do the right thing, but like any of us here I don't have any knowledge for or against.