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Comment: Re:"Born atheist" quite a leap (Score 1) 402

by narcc (#49141103) Attached to: Machine Intelligence and Religion

Atheism is an absence of belief, not a belief in absence.

You know that those are logically identical, right?

A simplified example: "John doesn't believe God exists" is identical to "John believes God does not exist" as they both expresses, unambiguously, John's beliefs about the existence of God. That is, to the question "Does John believe God exists" both statements evaluate the same way: "no".

I understand why you want to say ridiculous things like that. It may even be effective if your opponent is a moron. But it's complete nonsense. If you care, at all, about reason and logic (as many internet Atheists claim) you shouldn't abandon it so readily, regardless of your motivation.

Now that that's out of the way, this is what you *actually* want to do is differentiate between gnostic and agnostic atheism. Take a look around here, or (if you can stomach it) JREF and you'll find quite a few gnostic atheists -- those that believe, with impressive conviction, that no gods exist and assert knowledge to that effect. The more sensible agnostic atheist, while lacking a belief in god, claims no knowledge of that fact, they merely don't believe in the existence of any god.

The crux of that is 'belief' Belief is an interesting thing, as belief is not subject to the will. That is, you can't simply choose to believe or not believe in God or anything else. For example, you can't, no matter how hard you try, force yourself to disbelieve in the existence of Tom Cruise. Equally, it's impossible for you, through an act of will, to believe in Santa Clause.

Comment: Re:Breaking news! (Score 1) 148

by narcc (#49135013) Attached to: Artificial Intelligence Bests Humans At Classic Arcade Games

The bit about the score is key here. It's essentially no different than any other learning algorithm as it does not discover on its own that the goal is to achieve a high score. The computer vision part is neat, but nothing new, and ultimately does nothing to differentiate this from the zillion other similar projects as it is only used to find the score! Countless hobbyists and researchers have made ANN's and Genetic algorithms which produce similar results, both the computer vision part and the game-playing part.

The program does not, in any way, "study a problem and gain expertise all on its own". It's pure click-bait. I'm ashamed to have fallen for that particular trap.

Comment: Re:Instilling values more important (Score 3, Insightful) 671

The same can be said about any and all values including "a child should be taught is to always think for him or her self".

Once you realize that, you'll be well on your way to being able to understand moral reasoning, and far less likely to spout silly "relijuns is the bad" comments at inappropriate times.

Any program which runs right is obsolete.

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