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Comment: What else is new... (Score 5, Funny) 110

So what else is new? Most "Global Business Leaders" don't know much about anything else, yet some succeed due to blind luck and sheer force of money.

A man in a hot air balloon realised he was lost. He reduced altitude and spotted a woman below. He descended a bit more and shouted, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am." The woman below replied, "You're in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 30 feet above the ground. You're between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and between 59 and 60 degrees west longitude." "You must be an engineer," said the balloonist."I am," replied the woman, "How did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I've no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help at all. If anything, you've delayed my trip."
The woman below responded, "You must be in Management." "I am," replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?" "Well," said the woman, "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise, which you've no idea how to keep, and you expect people beneath you to solve your problems. The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it's my fault."

Comment: ignorance is bliss... (Score 1) 323

Well, if it is on Wikipedia it must be true. Such a great defense to your argument!

You can build an industry around anything. It still doesn't make it a science.

In the meantime some may wait for you to actually "discover" an algorithm. Perhaps some will call this activity "angel'o'sphere's folly".

Comment: Re:engineering is applied science (Score 1) 323

Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying something doesn't make it so.
Perhaps you need to study a bit more philosophy. So-called computer science is a philosophy based on arbitrary foundations and assumptions.

Let's look at how you are asserting the opposite:
First, are algorithms invented or discovered? Algorithms can only be invented. When someone "discovers" an algorithm, where was it hiding? What form does it have? Quite simply, algorithms have no physical form so they cannot be discovered.

Second, somehow you feel that simply asserting that developing a "software system" proves that it is engineering. Quite simply, it isn't.
Since you mentioned clay---software is not at all like clay. Software does not have physical form beyond the system that was arbitrarily develop to record some aspects of it. If it does, how would you describe it?

Finally, "give me three statements about bubble sort and three about quick sort...without CS you could not do that". What does that prove aside from that people can write things about anything? If I write a tome about pixies does that make pixies a science? Certainly not!

Le'ts put this in terms you may be able to understand.
Computer "science" is an applied philosophy. In this way it is a great deal like mathematics and very unlike physics.

Comment: engineering is applied science (Score 1) 323

Engineering is applied science. Electrical engineering, chemical engineering, and running a train are true engineering pursuits.
Computer "science" is not a science---it is an arbitrary paradigm beyond the electrical engineering and physics required to construct physical computers.
Since there is no "science" in computer science, calling a programmer an "engineer" makes no sense.

"When in doubt, print 'em out." -- Karl's Programming Proverb 0x7