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+ - Sabotage in Arizona Shuts Down Internet, Cellphone, Telephone Service Statewide->

Submitted by schwit1
schwit1 (797399) writes "Cellphone, Internet, and telephone services across half of Arizona went dark on Wednesday after vandals sliced a sensitive fiber optic cable, according to those familiar with the situation. The incident is raising concerns about the safety of U.S. infrastructure.

“There was a cut that took place on a fiber optic cable that basically runs from Phoenix to Northern Arizona. The line, which is composed of extremely thick cable, appeared to have been cut with a hacksaw"

“The fiber optic cable was encased in metal piping which would have to have been accessed prior to reaching the optics. This indicates the use of a power tool and doesn’t look like ‘vandalism’ but rather like sabotage,”"

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Comment: Re:Being disconnected might be good... (Score 1) 51

by mi (#49146865) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

Citations needed. Badly...

Well, how about Saudi Arabia and the Bush clan?

You alleged "exploitation" of poor people in other countries by US corporations. I asked for citations and you are replying with Saudi, Bush clan, and CIA?

That's not a citation — that's FUD. Which corporation, which country, when and how?

USA typically has a number of CIA agents working out of each of its embassies


where they identify people who are advocating for workers rights and opposed to exploitation by the foreign corporations


then help the oppressive dictatorships make such people disappear


Didn't think so...

+ - Millennials distrust the government so much, they don't want to run for office->

Submitted by Anonymous Coward
An anonymous reader writes "According to the Washington Post, millennials are so disgruntled with the current state of politics, they are not running for office and would recall all members of congress if given the option. Perception of politics grows more negative among young people who are appalled of fundraising and corruption and deterred by the lack of privacy in public service. Millennials who want to make a difference would rather do it outside of political office."
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Comment: Re:Being disconnected might be good... (Score 0) 51

by mi (#49143273) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

The problem with the banana republic governments that are kept in power by the US military

Off-topic. I was talking about corporations and government of the same country.

using the US military to "promote America's interests" - where "America's interests" are not freedom or democracy but instead the interests of a small number of rich Americans who stand to benefit from having their corporations exploit poor people in other countries

Citations needed. Badly...

Comment: Re:Sure, some access is bad (Score 1) 51

by mi (#49143187) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

most corporations today are global multinationals operating in all countries, and they love to make use of that by doing in the non-free countries all the evil things that they can't (as easily) do in the free countries.

First of all, America is still reasonably free. Second, the governments of those non-free countries, which may condone (and encourage) those unspecified "evil things", are even less likely to provide citizens with decent Internet access, than is Facebook.

You claim this is the best way for a corporation to get rich, but you offer no evidence to support that claim.

In a free country, there is simply no other way to get rich. That's my proof... The less free the country (down from "free" to "reasonably free"), the worse it is as corruption and crony capitalism open up opportunities for corporations to get rich in other ways.

A big news one recently was when Oracle decided the best way to riches was to take the MONEY for providing a service to the taxpayers of Portland without actually providing the service, and giving just a token piece of junk instead.

That's a rather one-sided way of describing it, but is this your argument for trusting the State government, which hired Oracle in the first place? Or for the Federal government, which made such a contract (creation of "health exchange") necessary in the first place?

But whatever the specifics of this case, I was talking about corporations getting rich by pleasing people — people, spending their own monies, rather than government officials spending those of their constituents.

The more money is spent by the government, the less free the citizens — and the more opportunities arise for unscrupulous corporations to profit unjustly. You can win a billion-dollar contract by giving a million to the official in charge of millions' of people taxes. But you can't do that selling to people directly — for that you have to actually deliver something decent, or fool people. Fortunately, fooling all the people all the time is notoriously difficult...

That they will never end up doing something that makes less money but is more evil simply because made a bad decision

Not at all. I consider neither corporate CEOs nor government bureaucrats to be omniscient. But you seem to think, only the CEOs are fallible...

PG&E was providing electricity [...] toxic waste properly and dumping it in people's drinking water instead.

Once again your example involves a corporation profiting from a special arrangement with the government... Don't you see the trend yet?

Facebook is the perfect example here - their product is private information for targetted advertising, the users aren't the customers

So long as nobody is forced to sign up, you argument is without merit.

It's easy to point the finger solely at government for those but it's also false, if the government didn't exist the companies would do the SAME things

For someone pointing out logical fallacies (real or otherwise) in other people's arguments, you are strangely susceptible to the "excluded middle". How about the government existed, but limited itself to those things enumerated in our Constitution as government's domain:

  • Law (criminal, tort, contractual) enforcement;
  • Defense from any would-be foreign invaders

Nothing else.

Comment: Re:Being disconnected might be good... (Score 0) 51

by mi (#49142961) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

How about you learn from someone who was a Marine who knows how the system works

I'd be happy to learn from him, how to operate a weapon, but why would an average Marine know "how the system works" any better, than a software engineer, a construction worker, or a janitor?

But if you hold Marines' political savvy in such an esteem, why don't you accept their other opinions today? They are rather Conservative for one thing — do you share that too, or are you only going to quote the few cherry-picked among them?

Comment: Re:Being disconnected might be good... (Score 0) 51

by mi (#49142875) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

Um, Orwell was a well known socialist

Only as an opposition to Franco's fascism (Orwell fought in Spanish civil war) — and until he realized, that both Fascism and Socialism are merely two sides of the coin of Statism.

Whatever the Wikipedia article may say about the book, an actual quote from it says:

I worked out an anarchistic theory that all government is evil, that the punishment always does more harm than the crime and the people can be trusted to behave decently if you will only let them alone.

That anarchism may be naive, but there is certainly nothing in it about the need to confiscate money from citizens at gun-point (also lovingly referred to as "taxation") in order to build schools and otherwise "help the downtrodden".

Comment: Re:Being disconnected might be good... (Score 0) 51

by mi (#49142801) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

US Marines were used numerous times to support the agenda of United Fruit.

Abroad. I was talking about the threat of government vs. the threat of corporations of the same country.

In more recent times, only a fool doesn't understand

Wow. This is the second time I am reminded of Hans Christian Andersen on one day...

about corporations not acting in collusion with governments

This was not really what I was talking about. But let me ask you, why is it you prefer the government side of that "collusion" you allege to be taking place? Corporation, at least, is doing it in order to bring some goods (such as bananas) to people, who want them... What's the government's excuse?

Comment: Re:Sure, some access is bad (Score 1) 51

by mi (#49142681) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

a corporation will bust your kneecaps if you demand higher wages set fire to smaller competitors

Assault and arson are both bona-fide crimes, that a government has a right and duty to prosecute. I wish, the government busied itself with those responsibilities only...

elect ... and make them accountable to you

Unless they ask the IRS to make you accountable to them... Great example.

we just passed net neutrality

A major intrusion into property rights and violation of one's freedom to operate one's business the way one sees fit.

we're legalizing gay marriage

A self-contradicting term akin to "meatless steak".

But I see, what you mean. Unhappy with other people's opinions and actions and unable to convince them, you seek to either simply force them to do things your way (such as pass any and all traffic through their own cables), or redefine certain terms (such as "marriage" — which all human civilizations until 20 years ago understood to mean "union of different sexes").

Yes, you certainly need government's ability to compel people at gunpoint to achieve those things. Without it to back your ridiculous argument, you'd still be the laughing stock you were 10 years ago...

and marijuana

Funny, how you mix introduction of new oppressive laws with abolishing old oppressive laws together — and consider both to be good things.

Comment: Re:Sure, some access is bad (Score -1, Troll) 51

by mi (#49141827) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

me: i don't trust government. i also don't trust corporations

You are framing the question wrong. I trust both to be self-serving and greedy.

The problem is, a self-serving and greedy government official will use his existing powers to expand his control over your life and money. As Thomas Jefferson observed back in 1788: "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground."

On the other hand, for a corporation — operating in a reasonably free country — the best way to riches is through providing services and/or making goods, that people are willing to pay for.

This is why I want this country to remain "reasonably free" — where the above-stated means of enrichment remain competitive.

why is there this irrational tribalism at work in the world where expressing an opinion against something automatically means i am for something else

Because certain things are exclusive of certain other things. Liberty vs. expanding government control is one example.

Comment: Re:Being disconnected might be good... (Score 1, Insightful) 51

by mi (#49141701) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

If voting moves entirely online

Begging the question, huh?

Despite being perfectly possible technically voting didn't move to telephone. And even if it did, AT&T — for all the love I have for it — would not dream of impeding such voting even when it was a government-sanctioned monopoly.

Both privately owned gated communities and government housing projects are also in a position to prevent you from getting outside the gate on the day of the poll — does this mean, it is better to be homeless than to live in such a place?

Meanwhile the loving government can punish an entire town with make-work road repairs — would you accept that as an argument against government-maintained roads?

Comment: Re:Being disconnected might be good... (Score 2, Insightful) 51

by mi (#49141275) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

Third world is bad, Orwellian world is worse.

Despite already well-known in his times mega-corporations (like Standard Oil), Orwell was not particularly concerned with them. Probably, because a corporation, however big, can not compel you to do anything at the point of a weapon.

No, he was worried about the power of governmentan evil necessary only to protect citizens from crime and injustice... Today's Illiberals would've hated the man (as a "tea-bagging fucktard" or some such), if it weren't for those "Liberals" of the past adoring him...

Comment: Sure, some access is bad (Score 1) 51

by mi (#49140991) Attached to: Facebook's Colonies

arguing that any increase in access is inherently good, which isn't necessarily the case

Of course, not. If the access was provided by a greedy KKKorporation, rather than the benevolent government, it is already suspect.

And if the provided link somehow prioritizes the said KKKorporation (or anybody else), that's outright evil — better to not have any access at all.

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