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Comment: Re:god, the distros are LAZY, not him (Score 1) 259

by mcloaked (#42381439) Attached to: After 12 years of Development, E17 Is Out
Yes it takes a little bit of reading and understanding and some manual command line work to get arch installed and running - and occasional manual intervention (well documented) to keep it up to date - but it is a lovely distro - I have moved to it this year from others - and being both rolling as well as cutting edge and largely pretty stable I am very happy with it. Zero effort distros are fine for cutting teeth on - which works for many - but some percentage of the linux users will want to get their computer doing things the way they like it and not the way someone else thinks they should like it! So it is horses for courses - and each user can make the system do what they want it to do.... I will be interested to see the reviews about E17 and how it works for users who install it - in a number of different distros!

Comment: Re:This is an old idea ... (Score 1) 135

by mcloaked (#42364709) Attached to: Mini-Tornadoes For Generating Electricity
You posted what I was about to say in much the same way - an old idea from decades ago when all manner of weird and quirky ideas was bandied about from solar panels in orbit many miles square beaming microwave energy back to a receiver on earth (except any living thing in its path would be fried!), to shipping Antarctic icebergs to the desserts for water, to the captured vortex idea driven by a huge bonfire in the middle of the circular building with angled entrance ducts as in the reference for this article. Great fun on the same day that the world didn't end after all!

Comment: Re:Thunderbird (Score 1, Insightful) 464

by mcloaked (#42228445) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Current State of Linux Email Clients?
HTML email has a function for passing data tables and not just to change the appearance of the email. In a corporate environment replying to html mail and altering a table you have received to pass on an edited table is a standard requirement. If you are sending mail to a person who has vision problems then changing fonts and colours can be very valuable too - so there can be very good reasons to compose html mail.

Comment: Re:Kontact/KMail (Score 1) 464

by mcloaked (#42228393) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Current State of Linux Email Clients?
I am looking forward to using kmail again - currently I can't import my s/mime certificate because of a bug in gpgsm but that has a fix that will be available to me in a few days and then I can check it out for signed/encrypted email. Yes the combination kontact/kmail I used to use in KDE when it was version 3 but since the initial move to KDE4 I abandoned KDE until about a year ago when KDE4 became usable again - with KDE 4.8 and later it is my favourite Desktop Environment and with the latest KDE 4.9 stability release it is generally working very well - hopefully with the release of KDE 4.10 Kontact/Kmail will be workable and your comments above are encouraging.

Comment: Re:Thunderbird (Score 1) 464

by mcloaked (#42228327) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Current State of Linux Email Clients?
One other thing that Thunderbird is bad at is handling large numbers of emails in a folder - it uses mbox for internal storage which is inefficient in the extreme when very large amounts of mail have to be handled - there has been some token effort to find a thunderbird-specific form of maildir that was being coded but it never got to the mainstream and is not in any current version as far as I know - maybe the casual user doesn't know or doesn't care about this - but if you have used Thunderbird to handle large volumes of mail in a folder you will have seen the problems that arise.

Comment: Re:Thunderbird (Score 1) 464

by mcloaked (#42228255) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Current State of Linux Email Clients?
Have you tried composing an html mail in Thunderbird? - and changing the font in the compose window? - it often produces a real mess with unwanted incorrect fonts. That bug has been around for many years and never got fixed. Thunderbird is currently the best on offer but it is not perfect and quite a lot of bugs remain that will likely never get fixed.
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+ - The current state of linux email clients? 2

Submitted by mcloaked
mcloaked (2791017) writes "We get all kinds of news about new developments but one subject has been lacking for some time and that is email clients for linux (or Windows for that matter).

A number of reviews mostly not all that recent have pointed to the main clients as Thunderbird, Evolution, Claws-mail, and Kmail as possibilities. Up to about a year ago Thunderbird seemed to be
"the" email client with the best mix of positives.

However there are no recent reviews that I have seen and in the meantime Thunderbird has moved to monthly releases which are more maintenance releases, with security fixes, with little real functional change — and little new development. Thunderbird won't be changed into the future much, if one interprets the available news information.

Evolution is reported to be rather prone to being buggy, and kmail even more so. Claws-mail has limitations as does kmail.

So where is the future going without any real innovation on available linux mail clients? We need a well maintained and capable mail
client, with preferably good calendar integration (webcal/google calendar), properly supported html composing, good maildir format storage for local mail, good security support including the capacity
to deal with both gpg and s/mime encryption and signing. It needs a good modern UI, and good import/export facilities as well as good
integration with its address book, including good import/export of addresses.

Are we likely to see this kind of package as we move into the future or will mail clients slowly disappear?
At the moment it looks like email client support is dead — maybe users are moving more into web mail and the cloud rather than having a properly functional mail client on their desktops?

I wonder what do people think?"

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