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Comment: Re:Who cares what an "ex" Attorney general says? (Score 1) 142 142

Okay... you seem to know all about it... guess we'll just have to take your word... for what is :-)

Or we could think and reason. Attorney General is a far more powerful position than whatever lawyer job he's doing now. And really, I think he's just carrying water for the administration here.

Comment: Re:lettice under LED grow lights? (Score 1) 255 255

Citing a few examples of dense urban centers in the US doesn't mean the country as a whole isn't predominated by sprawl.

Most of the US is predominated by much lower population densities than suburban sprawl. And I was replying to a universal assertion not a predominate one:

The whole friggn' cuntry is a "and sort of sprawly place".

Now we see that the assertion was false.

And really, we don't need everyone on board with urban farming in order for there to be a market for it. For example, not everyone surfs, yet somehow there are plenty of surfboard businesses out there. It'll depend on how profitable these urban farming businesses are (which in turn depends on the pricing of the products they sell) as to how large a market will be needed to sustain them.

For example, there's been a lot of joking about "herbs" and "basil" (namely, the marijuana plant) in this discussion. But in a high population density area where marijuana is legalized and hypothetically for sale at current legalized marijuana prices, then an urban farm would easily be supported - that is, it should be able to command a high profit per area/volume used.

Comment: Re:lettice under LED grow lights? (Score 1) 255 255

You wrote earlier:

The whole friggn' cuntry is a "and sort of sprawly place".

As I demonstrated, that is not true. There's at least 5% of the US (in the areas I mentioned) which lives or works in areas with much higher population density than suburban sprawl. A counterexample trumps a universal assertion.

Further, we haven't even discussed that the vast majority of the US by land area doesn't even have the "sort of sprawly" population density of suburban sprawl. By the argument you've put out before, that means we don't need to consider any sort of high density technology at all. After all, most of the US is farms, wilderness, and water.

You've also genuinely engaged in the sort of "re-writing" that you futilely accuse me of. Perhaps you recall this rewrite of a few replies ago:

Yeah, the US isn't the only place in the world. It is, however, the biggest market in the world.

You are ignoring 80-85% of the world's economic activity and around 95% of the world's population by brushing off the rest of the world.

In addition, when bandying around claims of "biggest market", we need to consider biggest market for what? For example, I think we can all agree that the US probably will be punching well below its weight for urban farming due to the moderate sprawl of most of the US population. China, Japan, and the EU won't. I would consider each of those regions taken separately bigger markets for urban farming than the US.

And one doesn't need hundreds of millions of customers in order to successfully install and operate an urban farm. If urban farming is practical, then it'll be practical on the very ample US markets I already mentioned, which have around 10-15 million people in total. If it isn't practical, then it doesn't matter if the market is 10 million people or 350 million people.

Comment: Re:lettice under LED grow lights? (Score 1) 255 255

Well then it's your comment that doesn't matter, because GGGP's contention is about the suitability of this tech is based on density.

And I rattled off a few large markets that achieve that density. Game, set, match. I don't care that the markets only cover a modest fraction rather than all of the US's population.

makes no mention of markets, large or otherwise. You specifically use the phrase "dense urban centers".

Now, you know that I intended all along to imply the existence of the markets.

I'd say it's kinda hard to tell the difference between you, given how you're trying to re-write your words. Maybe you should hang out at a site that allows you to edit your posts. You might be better able to hide putting your foot in your mouth.

I imagine you have that trouble with everyone. Just because we disagree and I have elaborated at your request doesn't mean that I'm rewriting my words or even trying to. I simply filled you on why I wrote what I wrote.

And really, this is why having an account is useful. I could then read your account name and decide for myself whether it was worth the trouble to respond to you.

Comment: Re:lettice under LED grow lights? (Score 1) 255 255

Just because you can rattle off a few high density urban areas in the US doesn't prove squat. The fact is the vast majority of population centers in the US are "sprawly" places.

That would be fine, if your comment mattered. It isn't the number of high density urban areas that creates the market, but the many millions of people in those spots. I didn't rattle off a few high density urban areas, I rattled off a few large markets.

BTW, thanks for proving your inability to resist replying to ACs. We all knew you wouldn't be able to show any discipline with regard to your stupid, ill conceived sig.

I'm not Karmashock, but maybe he's got a really good point.

Comment: Re:And where does the nitrogen come from? (Score 1) 255 255

At some point the lack of natural gas to make fertilizer is going to kill billions.

Even if we ignore that most nitrogen in developed world crops comes from nitrogen-fixing bacteria, it's still going to be a while before methane becomes scarce enough that we stop using it for fertilizer. After all, methane is cheap enough now that they burn it for electricity!

Comment: Re:A little hyperbolic (Score 1) 255 255

What's hyperbolic about it? There are examples in various posts of people who stopped communicating with their loved ones because they couldn't figure out the new interface or who stopped receiving services for the elderly because someone put in a automated voice messenging system. We're turning into a society where computers are becoming essential for both getting things done and for connecting with each other. Bad and arbitrary UI changes break that.

Comment: Re:That's still exactly what it was (Score 1) 233 233

Oh, I see, it's about farmers using water for their business, not individuals collecting water in a barrel under their roof.

No, it doesn't sound like you understand. No one in the US prevents you from using a rain barrel. Further, please recall that this thread was originally about the up and coming water-based hydraulic empire. I merely pointed out why that assertion was flawed.

"It takes all sorts of in & out-door schooling to get adapted to my kind of fooling" - R. Frost