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Comment: Re:GCJ, Kaffee, GNU Classpath (Score 1) 535

by k98sven (#16831240) Attached to: Sun Open Sources Java Under GPL
GCJ will survive because it provides a facility that doesn't exist in the standard JDK (i.e., ahead-of-time compilation).


Well, that would be a reason. But on the other hand, the main developer of GCJ is RedHat, and they may well not feel like continuing it now.

Kaffe will survive because it's BSD licensed.


Kaffe is GPL.

Classpath will initially try to survive by copying large amounts of original Java code into itself, but I suspect will eventually become irrelevant as patches for classpath-using applications become available to allow them to use the original Java class library.


Well, then you know more than I do. And I'm a Classpath dev. :) There are no Classpath-using applications that don't run on the original class library. Classpath is not Mono - we've never accepted any incompatibility against Sun's java, and certainly haven't promoted working around our bugs.

Anyway, there's a good six months or so before we'll be seeing the classlib code from Sun. Yes, if we do continue development (or those who do) will probably be incorporating parts of it, but not large swaths of it. There are some fundamental differences in how the two libraries have chosen to solve certain things, and it's hardly a matter of cutting and pasting some code.

There's also a likelyhood that parts of Classpath are going to end up in Sun's libaries. There are actually things that Classpath does do better. There are also parts of the classlib that aren't going to be open-sourced because Sun doesn't have ownership. Classpath may provide the replacements for those parts.

But all in all, it's a big win for Classpath, regardless. We're getting what we wanted, under the license we wanted it. And we even got Sun to talk to us and ask advice before it all happened. (And judging from the details of their actions, I'd say I they listened well)

What Does the Microsoft ODF Converter Mean? 177

Posted by ScuttleMonkey
from the pulling-hard-on-the-rudder dept.
Andy Updegrove writes "It's been a week now since Microsoft announced its ODF/Office open source converter project - time enough for 183 on-line stories to be written, as well as hundreds of blog entries (one expects) and untold numbers of appended comments. Lest all that virtual ink fade silently into obscurity, it seems like a good time to look back and try to figure out what it all means. In this entry, I report on a long chat with Microsoft's Director of Standards Affairs Jason Matusow, and match up his responses with the official messaging in the converter press release. The result is a picture of a continuing, if slow and jerky, evolution within Microsoft as those that recognize market demands for more openness debate those that want to follow the old way. This internal divide means that the proponents of change need to point to real market threats in order to justify incremental changes. This adaptation by reaction process leaves Microsoft still lagging the market, but has allowed those that favor a more open approach to gradually turn the battle ship a few degrees at a time."

New Caldera Promised 291

Posted by ScuttleMonkey
from the people-you-love-to-hate dept.
An anonymous reader writes "SCO has announced their plans to release a new version of Caldera Linux by the end of the year. From the announcement: 'To provide extensive reliability and performance features, the Linux Kernel 2.5 codebase has been merged with recently developed additions to SCO's world leading UNIX core operating system. Already contained code owned by SCO is still included benefiting the stability and overall experience opposed to recent Linux kernel releases.' The question is, is anyone listening?"
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Journal: DOE report

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And another article.. quite the popular topic. At least now it's a down-to-earth report. (And relatively relevant comments too. I guess this is what happens when these stories don't get posted on weekends.)

"Oh, speculators about perpetual motion; How many vain chimeras have you created in the like quest? Go and take your place with the seekers after gold*." - Leonardo da Vinci

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Journal: Quibbling over semantics

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How to be an annoyance and moron in general:

Step one:

Locate a word in a comment with several usages, one broader than the other.

Step two:

Decide to assume the poster meant the narrower usage, although such an interpretation is obviously wrong.

Step three:

Write a post claiming the original poster is wrong, and doesn't understand the meaning of the word. For good measure, include a definition of the narrower meaning.

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Journal: More cold fusion nonsense

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This is basically an addendum to my previous journal entry.
(So read it first, if you want to know where I'm coming from here..)

In the latest "Cold fusion for real!" story on Slashdot, several commenters pointed out (without any justification) that they think the Coulomb barrier (that's the like-charges-repel force) stopping two nuclei from getting close enough to fuse can be overcome by tunneling.

Ok.. well I guessed someone would say that. The simple answer is: NO.

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Journal: Energy

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There has been several unedifying discussions on Slashdot on fusion power, where a number of pseudoscientific ideas have come up again, and again. I've tried to rebut these, although perhaps a bit impatiently sometimes. Out of the layperson's standpoint, the whole matter probably appears rather confusing. So I feel I'll use s

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