The reason that in 2013 IPv6 isn't the simple answer is IMHO conspiracy. This new alliance reeks of "don't look over there at just obviously using the 'internet protocol' as designed and intended and independent of our existing transnational corporate influence. Instead, use this shit we 'invent', and in a few years, the ISPs will be filtering everything else because they consider it 'reasonable network management', and they are fellow establishment players like us.". This is just an extra taxation of the internet by an establishment rightfully afraid of 'disruptive technologies' such as IPv6 combined with any sense of an ISP as an agent of free speech, rather than mainstream media control (as the internet was supposed (/long advertised) to do to the prior cable network).
It's not what they know about you, it's what whoever decides to hack their site with untested security knows about you.
And welcome to the hell of the neo-Kompromat the NSA (no doubt with wider geopolitical collaboration) has created for every human on earth. I.e, they love to break security and pick locks to have all the info on everyone they can, in case targeted defamation or provocation becomes tactically useful. But the worse hell is that they themselves, though they may think, and perhaps even temporarily are "informationally dominant" - they are not invulnerable. So in the end, they damage the fabric of human security even more than they intended. Yes, this is just redundantly making a less succint point. But it's a damned important point.
well, they're just redefining(or thats the way it's always been in usa seemingly) trying to achieve change of system as being radically wrong.
And then the next moment deciding to create and use a Kompromat database to prevent any undesired changes to the system. A revelation like this leads me to these sorts of philosophical and ethical ponderings- Would the sorts of NSA employees that decided to engage in these sorts of 'political ratfucking campaigns' also have thought that it would have been ethical to- e.g. pay a million dollars to a monica lewinski to seduce a president, in order to discredit him? I mean, after all, it's just a little victimless 'penetration testing' to increase the security of the overall system right? Just like breaking a little law against cruel and unusual punishment of a fellow human being in order to serve a greater good against terrorist criminals? Or would it make a difference depending on whether or not Hillary gave the thumbs up to the operation? Just musings on justice...
In addition,"The Final Cut" is a gem of a Robin Williams movie on this subject many may not have seen-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_Cut_(2004_film) (below is wikipedia summary)
The Final Cut is a 2004 film written and directed by Omar Naim. It stars Robin Williams
The Final Cut is about subjectivity, memory and history; posing the question, "If history is what is written and remembered, then what happens when memories are edited and rewritten?"
The film won the award for best screenplay at the Deauville Film Festival and was nominated for best film at the Catalonian International Film Festival and Berlin International Film Festival.
The "canary" doesn't answer any of the unknowns
Good point. We're going to need more canaries. A lot more canaries. Like a canary per user. Or per piece of user's data even. Hmm... sounds like a new piece of metadata........
By announcing the plan ahead of time, you are saying the actions are in direct response to, and a way to covertly signal that a warrant with gag order has been issued. Hell, your announcement may trigger legal action BEFORE a warrant is ever issued.
While you may have a technical point here, practically it is far less relevant. Those that are on the other side of this are vulnerable to the light such a prosecution would bring to their actions. They know that what they are doing is so completely fundamentally illegal for so many reasons, that even if they are 100% right legally about the situation you describe, their system of injustice could never withstand actual litigation in such a scenario. Sadly, this means that they will result to less above-board tactics of coercion to achieve their ends.
My point? I know more than a little about security, and I've seen a lot of what passes for security in both government and industry, including in organizations that handle a lot of sensitive data and really should know how to secure it.
Google is better at it than any of them. Head and shoulders.
Perfect? No. Nothing is perfect. But Google has world-class security talent, a lot of it, and Google's engineers have always cared a lot about security... and are now angry as well.
Anyway, take that for whatever you want, but it's my absolutely honest opinion. Google can do a hell of a lot to obstruct the NSA's illicit snooping, and intends to do everything feasible.
(Disclaimer: I work for Google, but I don't speak for them and they don't speak for me.)
The problem you aren't paying enough attention to is the relationship between "feasible" and "profitable". Real security could come about through Google leading the industry away from server-prohibition terms of service for residential ISPs. Or the recently modified "commercial-server-prohibited" terms. Once people en-masse are allowed to host their own data (and encryptedly replicate their friends), that will remove the real crux of the issue- An internet services architecture that is fundamentally flawed in that it piles the majority of users data in places with thousands of employees, and drastic vulnerability to economic leverage. Such data piles are trivial, and always will be trivial for the gestapo to infiltrate and copy for themselves. So, is it "feasible" for Google to get a freaking clue and take my side agreeing that there is absolutely nothing inherently interesting about a "server" (commercial or not) that is damaging to the network? Well, doing so opens up the floodgates for residential servers to compete with their countless servers. So no, to your management, it is not 'feasible'. There is no hope in Google. The only hope would be that these tech-smarts you describe in your workplace persist after the decent tech workers abandon the company which is 'too big for the NSA to allow it to fail'.
My older brother is a VP-Eng at Google (maps). I can assure you that the whole thing is utterly corrupt. The day after active duty U.S. Navy Information Warfare Officer Dave Schroeder posted publicly here that he thought my GoogleFiber "Right To Serve" Manifesto was "very good" and that he agreed with everything I wrote about the core net neutrality argument, my brother finally said he agreed with some part of my arguments. To this day he has never clarified which part, though still asserts that I should have gone about my complaint in "the better way", namely submitting myself subserviantly to the Google technocratic leaderships opinion. The fact of the matter is, IMHO, that being able to host server/s on your residential internet connection, and being able to expect the user/customer base of all "internet service" to have the same basic right, is a key aspect of reclaiming our informational privacy and security on the internet. No, it's not bulletproof, but it's the foundation with which to have a fighting chance. I personally wish the EFF would get some guts and go further in their call. The fact of the matter is that I am right about my Net Neutrality argument, though certainly resolved to believe that after the forthcoming verizon ruling, that is not legally likely going to be relevant. But I think to reclaim our ability to use the internet, rather than being used by it, we need to demand that hosting servers that control our own data, is something everyone ought to be able to do from home. And in order for the residential server software market to thrive, there can't be arbitrary bullshit raqueteering loopholes like Google's new "no-commercial-servers-allowed" activity. I mean, why the fuck is it ok for residential users to commercially profit on transactions with a 3rd party like ebay, but not if they independently run their own LAMP stack and accept payment by check via USPS? I mean seriously, what the fuck?!?
Nationalization has been a major fiasco.
You are being disingenuous, or are merely ignorant of the wider context (IMHO). You can't debate this subject honestly without seriously discussing the CIA and USA's role in attempting a violent overthrow of Chavez, early in his widely accepted as legitimate democratic leadership. Something the USA is famous for. I'm thinking right now that some machiavellian elite of the USA are probably pretty happy with being able to drive a country to insanity and suffering the way it appears they are succeeding in driving Venezuela (or this is all some B.S. slashdot twisting of reality, but I come here for the philisophical debate that results). Sort of like that line in Hotel Rwanda explaining how some elites convinced two sets of natives to be racist against one another based on their nose shape or something. Divide and Conquer. Or the machiavellian move here- fuck with other countries leaders- not kill them mind you- but just keep on fucking with them in order to get their country to be weaker so that you can perpetually dominate them.
It's a jungle out there kids... Good Luck.
Federal spending has to be brought under control. It appears there's no will in our so-called leaders to do so.
Obligatory "Starve The Beast" link. Neocons and others are so god damned crazy that responsible accounting, the likes of which most high school students could comprehend (aiming for lack of debt, cuz like, it's better to have money than to owe it), will probably not return to our leadership until the "ending badly" you spoke of comes even more to pass than it already has.
The level of abuses - both the spying itself, subsequent known abuses of the data, and countless likely unknown abuses - has already done enough damage to the fabric of the ideal of democracy, that an open and straightforward conversation is not enough. When there are very real threats that people will be tortured to preserve government secrecy about this...
It's too late for the straightforward sensible conversation. Heads need to roll. Figuritively or literally. I stopped voting when Obama broke his 1 year GITMO pledge. I thought I would make an exception if Hillary was the only female top spot on one of the two main parties. I think this slashdot troll headline will make me give up on that. It'd be nice to see a non-male president of the U.S. But Hillary Clinton is day by day demonstrably failing to live up to the kind of standard which I would use if I could muster the belief that voting could help this in the same sensible fashion she is after. Things are *messed up*.
And as much as I love Star Trek, a Star Trek fantasy is the last one I'd see in such a man. Star Trek captains righteously flout all the rules. When superiors order them to stand down, when their fundamental laws (the Prime Directive) deny them the power, when the lives of entire worlds are at stake, they do what they think best, damn the torpedoes, warp 9, engage. A man with such delusions of grandeur ought not be put in charge of HUD, much less a secretive organization known for its willingness to spy on citizens.
I also love the Roddenberry canon, but I disagree with your evaluation. I think you are missing the kind of "love of the contradictions" attitude that I think it shares with other religious canons. For instance, take money. We start with a vision of earth utopia 300 years in the future, where nobody is short on cash, short on food, short on housing, or short on medical care. NOBODY. And no more national wars on our planet. All that shit was *solved by smart people over a long period of time*. Or so the vision of utopia goes. But then comes the story of the voyage and exploration. Just as soon as we widen the sentient-social galactic camera angle to just a bit wider view, you see that all of a sudden, our side, is back to having wars (cardassians, borg, dominion). Oh, and I forgot the other big utopian factor- *NO STATE SPONSORED OR CONDONED TORTURE* (allegedly, we'll get to section 31 soon). But as soon as we meet the cardassians, the borg, the dominion, we see that our side is again no longer in any actual future utopia, but rather subject to the timeless problems stemming from the darwinian nature of life, just at a fractally increasing scale. In fact I love Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda because it takes this to the level of galaxies as large complex life forms, also in a straightforward darwinian struggle for survival at a larger scale. I'm sure someone could write a book about multiple 3D universes all born of 4D black holes in some similar struggle for survival, reproduction, durabiity, and otherwise continued existence. In general those complex systems that fight to exist, unsurprisingly populate existence (or at least, the fittest contenders among them). But now, lets not forget about God. The Trek canon also does an extremely good job of obvious sci-fi imaginings of many different God-like entities. That all (or most) interestingly "ring true" with what many spiritual people see as interaction with "God". Satans too. These stories I think help many anti-religious people to understand religious people, and vice versa. If there is any kind of art we need more of in the world, I think that is it. Or helping people of one religion, better understand those of another. Or even racists vs non-racists. Trek is overtly racial, with species taking place of races, and embracing significant cultural and biological differences. I.e. not trying to have a naive anti-racist view of "we are all created equal". We aren't. We are different. Some thrive and survive, some don't. Often it's a viscious cruel battle to see who does.
But I digress, getting back to your point- it's about embracing the contradiction. It's about the shades of gray. Utter, 100% loyalty to orders is something that needs to be shown and taught as horrendously dangerous. We do this with the history of WW2 and elsewhere. We do this with artwork like Trek. Trek shows a *balanced* view of what acting ethically means. Trek shows a *realistic* view of what kinds of situations military leaders and others face. Every kind of ordinary common corruption in today's world has been expertly dealt with by Trek (if you search for the steganographed theme played out in a fictional future).
To claim that ethics will ever boil down to anything other than the type of "maverick captain" scenarios described by trek is I think the problem with your opinion. The ethics of Trek may lead people in positions like Snowden to say- "To Hell With The Law. An unjust law is no law at all.". And that is a good thing. It is the final check and balance on society, more fundamental than even the concept of democracy. You have a choice. It's part of being alive. Get used to it.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/30/2322253/google-argues-against-net-neutrality [slashdot.org] its a dupe.
The original complaint I filed with the FCC, then the Kansas Attorney General, and then back to the FCC is here-
Another slashdot echo of the EFF's take is here-
Its the same dumb points from anonymous cowards.
Ad hominem much tuppe666? My name is Douglas McClendon.
Google want to charge businesses for attaching servers to the internet...and yet this has been twisted into a Net Neutrality argument,
Here is my twist, I'll just post a paragraph from 10-201 (aka 'Net Neutrality')
FCC-10-201 Paragraph 13 (see appendix B for the entirety)
(Under Section Heading:)
The Internet’s Openness Promotes Innovation, Investment, Competition, Free Expression, and Other National Broadband Goals
Like electricity and the computer, the Internet is a "general purpose technology" that enables new methods of production that have a major impact on
the entire economy.(12) The Internet’s founders intentionally built a network that is open, in the sense that it has no gatekeepers limiting innovation and
communication through the network.(13) Accordingly, the Internet enables an end user to access the content and applications of her choice, without
requiring permission from broadband providers. This architecture enables innovators to create and offer new applications and services without needing
approval from any controlling entity, be it a network provider, equipment manufacturer, industry body, or government agency.(14) End users benefit
because the Internet’s openness allows new technologies to be developed and distributed by a broad range of sources, not just by the companies that
operate the network. For example, Sir Tim Berners-Lee was able to invent the World Wide Web nearly two decades after engineers developed the
Internet’s original protocols, without needing changes to those protocols or any approval from network operators.(15) Startups and small businesses
benefit because the Internet’s openness enables anyone connected to the network to reach and do business with anyone else,(16) allowing even the
smallest and most remotely located businesses to access national and global markets, and contribute to the economy through e-commerce(17) and
online advertising.(18) Because Internet openness enables widespread innovation and allows all end users and edge providers (rather than just the
significantly smaller number of broadband providers) to create and determine the success or failure of content, applications, services, and devices, it
maximizes commercial and non-commercial innovations that address key national challenges -- including improvements in health care, education, and
energy efficiency that benefit our economy and civic life.(19)
by changing the definition of Net Neutrality "discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality [wikipedia.org] . I'm just shocked its not an Ars Technica...maybe they are still defending the iPhone launch.
And here, I will emphasize a quote from Vint Cerf, about what IPv6 _ought_ to enable on the internet-
At Google we believe IPv6 is essential to the continued health and growth of the Internet and that by allowing all devices to talk to each other directly,
IPv6 enables new innovative services.
Finally, I'll go back to quoting the actual Net Neutrality rule I accused GoogleFiber of violating (10-201 again, see
ii. No blocking.
Fixed broadband providers may not block lawful content, applications, services, or non-harmful devices; mobile broadband providers may not block
lawful websites, or block applications that compete with their voice or video telephony services;
Me, running a videogame server connected to my endpoint of the internet, *is a lawful service running on a non-harmful device". If Google wants to claim that I'm taking up too much in bandwidth resources, they are free at any time to stop committing the longstanding advertising fraud common in the residential ISP industry known as "unlimited bandwidth / no caps". There is a limit, there is a cap. Selective enforcement of vague ferengi print is how they enforce it. This also IMO has the side effect of chilling home served competitive services that might in fact prove more secure from eavesdropping than GMail and GoogleHangouts.
Go Die Troll.
But: It seems like the dangers to young people were underestimated.
And that - lack of scientific knowledge to benefit humanity - is in a nutshell, precisely what the Schedule-1-ness of cannabis has given humanity. Yes, I know there are very rare, and very tightly controlled exceptions to the prohibition on medical studies, but seriously, I'm still waiting for the declassified report that explains that cannabis was invented by the CIA or KGB or some such. Sadly the only other plausible theory I have is shameful incompetence for generations on the part of our leaders. Or complicity in a conspiracy to profit on an invented vice market. Or... seriously people, chime in with theories. I've been smoking a lot of herb for half my life- a couple decades now. And those are the best theories I have...
disclaimer: complainant here: The terms say "prohibited". Look it up.