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Comment: Re:Eventually - but the lies do real damage meanwh (Score 1) 389

by Curunir_wolf (#49776455) Attached to: Can Bad Scientific Practice Be Fixed?

The MMR vaccine fiasco is of course the classic example of this;

How so? It seems, instead, to present a counter-argument. I would refer you to the comments of Richard Horton, of the Lancet. To wit:

"But there are fair questions to be asked about the style of government and expert response to claims about the safety of MMR. Three reactions have been discernable. First, there has been an appeal to evidence. The Department of Health's www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk website contains a superb collection of materials designed to help parents make the “decision in your own time and on your own terms”. The difficulty is that in a post-BSE era, where government advice is no longer immediately taken on trust, the weight of accumulated evidence carries less force if it comes from government than it once did.

Second, public-health officials have disparaged as “poor science” evidence that appears to contradict their official message. This approach has a cost. The reason that today's retraction is partial and not total is that the discovery of a possible link between bowel disease and autism is a serious scientific idea, as recognised by the MRC,8 and one that deserves further investigation. Although dismissing the entire 1998 Lancet paper as poor science gives a clear and correct message to the public about the status of any claim regarding the safety of MMR, in scientific and clinical terms it is both wrong and damaging. The autism-bowel disease link was considered part of a series of physiological observations judged by the MRC to be “interesting and in principle worth investigating”. Subsequent research has yielded conflicting findings.13, 14 This work should be supported.

Third, there has been an effort to starve critics of legitimacy by refusing to engage them face-to-face."

there are still people acting on the assumption that the lies were true, and that's getting people killed.

There were no "lies", only misunderstandings, misinterpretations, and misrepresentations OUTSIDE of the scientific community, and a failure to disclose associations and funding on the part of ONE of the many researchers, which turned out to be irrelevant to any of the research conducted or findings reported.

Further, I think you would be as hard-pressed to show a direct causal link between any specific refusal of the MMR vaccine and any specific death as researchers have been to show a causal link between any specific vaccine and autistic enterocolitis.

Comment: Re:This is why adultery is wrong (Score 1) 173

Either that or be open about it. It is hard to blackmail someone over something that is public knowledge.

Huh. Apparently, you're right. You can be a 50-something politician and have an affair with the 17-year-old daughter of one of your law clients, get a plea deal to misdemeanors instead of a felony, and it's okay as long as you come out with it a couple of years later, present your new baby, and talk about your ambitions to be a leader in the state senate. Truth is stranger than fiction.

Comment: Re:why the quotes (Score 1) 381

by Curunir_wolf (#49749993) Attached to: What Was the Effect of Rand Paul's 10-Hour "Filibuster"?

oh look, its the garbage rag the Washington Examiner, dedicated to excusing and covering up the right's mistakes.

Oh, sorry, should I have found some garbage rag dedicated to excusing and covering up the left's mistakes? There are certainly a LOT more of those to choose from.

and yes youre still a crackpot who doesn't know what hes talking about concerning vaccines or pretty much any other topic.

Actually, you are an ignorant douchebag with no clue about anything, and a shill for the vastly harmful pharmaceutical industry.

Comment: Re:Why the quote marks around "filibuster"? (Score 1) 381

by Curunir_wolf (#49749813) Attached to: What Was the Effect of Rand Paul's 10-Hour "Filibuster"?

he has also demonstrated significant ideological inconsistency as he navigates the mine field created by his libertarian leanings (they themselves inconsistent)

Clearly if you try to compare one libertarian's ideas with another, you may view them as inconsistent - but you can say the same about "progressive" or "liberal" or "conservative" or any other. However, the core principles of libertarianism itself is the most consistent of any other philosophy I know of. It's really simple too. You seem ignorant of what it's about.

Yes, Rand Paul is a politician. And "pure" libertarians have grown to distrust him, too, since he tries to express his views in a way that doesn't scare people. Even if he believes there should be no laws against possession of heroin, cocaine, and that the state should repeal any law that defines a "marriage", expressing such an idea would marginalize him to such an extent that he'd be unable to influence ANYTHING in Washington.

Comment: Re:why the quotes (Score 1) 381

by Curunir_wolf (#49749781) Attached to: What Was the Effect of Rand Paul's 10-Hour "Filibuster"?

really? do you have any actual data beyond "I have heard of them too" to corroborate your claim? I'm guessing not because you would be more than gleeful to post any link .

I can't be "gleeful" about people that are harmed by pharmaceutical companies. But for your information, it happens often enough (and since these multinational corporations are IMMUNE from liability for ANY harm, the government has a compensation program to assist people injured by them.

There are vaccines and there are vaccines. I see no problem with the proven ones for really tragic illnesses, such as polio, for instance. But when states start mandating things like Gardisil, which has caused some neurological problems in some patients and with very questionable benefits, it goes too far.

Comment: Re:Why the quote marks around "filibuster"? (Score 1) 381

by Curunir_wolf (#49748307) Attached to: What Was the Effect of Rand Paul's 10-Hour "Filibuster"?

in case you aren't paying attention, he stood up and did this because he is running for president

That's pretty disingenuous, without merit, and without relevance. Paul has opposed these types of government intrusion and civil rights violations for a long time, long before he even entered politics. A passionate dislike for excessive government surveillance is just as likely a motivation for this as your biased viewpoint of him.

he was there for several other occasions when the patriot act was being debated, he did not filibuster any of those times

You are a victim of media manipulation. Here's your sign.

Comment: Re:why the quotes (Score 1) 381

by Curunir_wolf (#49748261) Attached to: What Was the Effect of Rand Paul's 10-Hour "Filibuster"?

we do care about those things

but when they come out of the mouth of a guy who says:

"I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines."

then you really have to come to the conclusion that he says what he says in order to get press exposure, because clearly his remarks have no ground in "integrity" or "honesty" or anything like that

Why? Do you think he lied? Because I have heard of them, too. I've even heard of ones that didn't even survive. Why do you focus on that out-of-context quote instead of his entire point? Are there no issues with vaccines? Should the government be mandating 200 vaccine shots for every citizen, regardless of outcome, and regardless of the pharmaceutical company immunity from any liability, but retaining all the profits from government-supported funding? Do you distrust Rand Paul more than pharmaceutical companies? Because that's an easy choice for me.

“There’s 400 headlines now that say ‘Paul says vaccines cause mental disorders,'” he continued. “That’s not what I said. I said I’ve heard of people who’ve had vaccines and they see a temporal association and they believe that.”

Comment: Re:Thank you - just PR for his presidential run. (Score 1) 381

by Curunir_wolf (#49748229) Attached to: What Was the Effect of Rand Paul's 10-Hour "Filibuster"?

I've seen quite a bit of coverage including major political sites like DrudgeReport

"Drudge Report"? How about NewsMax and jbs.org? Did you see it on those major political sites, too? Maybe a major political site like bible-prophecy.com?

Every post you make surprises me by your further decent into abject ignorance. There are PODCASTS with larger audiences than MSNBC, dude. You should really look for other sources of news.

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