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Comment: Re:Personal attacks have no bearing (Score 0) 594

by gingertaylor (#33547730) Attached to: Family To Receive $1.5M+ In Vaccine-Autism Award

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/welcome/features/20090218_autism_environment/index.html

This study last year showed that while better recognition was part of the increase, it did not even come close to accounting for the skyrocketing rate. So everyone who a part of the serious discussion on autism recognizes the increase is not an artifact, but it is real.

Plus if you talk to educators who have been in the field for thirty years, they can tell you that they never saw kids that were anything like the children with autism we have today. School systems were not going broke from their special ed budgets like they are now.

Comment: Re:Previous condition (Score 0, Troll) 594

by gingertaylor (#33546106) Attached to: Family To Receive $1.5M+ In Vaccine-Autism Award

The reality is that the diseases that vaccinations prevent are far more horrible than you can imagine...

Like chicken pox, rotavirus and the flu? I can imagine them. My kids have had them all and lived to tell the tale.

And almost no one was dying of measles by the time the vaccine was on the market in 1967.

But today we have had the idea foisted on us that chicken pox is as bad as small pox and measles = polio.

Children now have 70 doses of childhood vaccines recommended. 45 before the age of 18 months. I was born in 1969 and I only had 29 up until age 18 (and I was a Navy brat who had the hell vaccinated out of me, six polio shots) Most people my age got around 15 doses of vaccines.

So what was the mass plague that called us to triple the schedule in less than thirty years? Oh... vaccine makers got immunity from being sued if their products killed or maimed children!

So how many is too many? 70? 100? 150? And how many at once? Nine doses like Hanna Poling had? And for whom? She had zero symptoms of any mito dysfunction. So which kids can we OD on vaccines and which ones are at risk?

If it is completely immoral to give all children antibiotics, knowing it will kill some, is it moral to do the same with vaccines? And who decides?

Now, please read SLOWLY and try to understand the following. . .

Vaccines are a GOOD idea. Full stop.

The people today who produce, promote, sell and administer them are NOT trust-worthy. They are by degrees non-critical true-believers who render themselves incapable of preventing or solving the problems created by those who are deceptive or even merely incompetent.

Those two concepts are not the same, and repeating the first loudly doesn't make the other go away, nor will it. And it was this constant repeating that I was pointing out with my initial statement, (the statement you failed to understand). The irony here is as thick as peanut butter.

-FL

Everyone knows Pharma is corrupt. WE saw the hit list that Merck had in the Vioxx case to ruin the careers of doctors who were pointing out that the drug was killing people. But suddenly Merck is above reproach with MMR?

And you do know that FDA does not test vaccines right? They just rely on the safety testing that Pharma does. Super ethical Pharma.

But if I question the safety of giving MMR to every child (again, knowing it will kill and maim some and we are not even trying to find out who those kids are before hand to prevent this), at the same time as half a dozen other vaccines, I am suddenly anti-vaccine and worth of the ugliest slurs one can come up with?

How about we start thinking with some reason.

My father and his little brother contracted Polio in the late 1940s. Both made full recoveries and became naval aviators. Their father got it and died. They were 5 and 7 years old.

My son reacted to the very first shot he got, but they kept giving him a full load, and drove him into medical and neurological oblivion at 18 months old when they gave him seven doses of vaccine at once, that we have spent six years trying to recover him from. And after years of looking, I can find not one study that looks at what giving a child vaccines for Polio, Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, HIB, Hepatitis B and Pnumococcal Meningitis all at the same time can do to him. There aren't any.

How about we try to find a happy medium between the two?

How 'bout we not demonize anyone who asked good questions about what the hell the vaccine program has become since Pharma was given a free ride?

How many is too many? 200? Because there are 100 more vaccines in the pipeline.

Comment: Please question. (Score -1, Redundant) 594

by gingertaylor (#33545818) Attached to: Family To Receive $1.5M+ In Vaccine-Autism Award

"How did this happen when all the scientific data points otherwise?"

Because all the scientific data does not point otherwise.

You have to understand that you are under a huge misconception that there is no research that supports the vaccine autism connection, because you are listening to industry mouthpieces that say, "No evidence of any link" and then you guys spend all day parroting that line back and forth to one another, and you really believe that it is true. So of course this ruling sounds absurd to you. Paul Offit has admitted in the press that he is a "vaccine salesman". He flat out lies in the press, and you guys are just swallowing it with out asking any critical questions.

That is not science.

I have put together a page where I just started listing the research that supports the vaccine, autism theory. There are more than forty listed, and it is by no means a complete list. You can find it here:

http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

And you need to pay attention to the completely absurd statements the government is making in regards to this case. An elementary school teacher would not accept such bad excuses from her students as they are offering to the public. Get this email from HRSA's communication office:

"From: Bowman, David (HRSA) [mailto:DBowman@hrsa.gov]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:22 PM
To: 'dkirby@nyc.rr.com'
Subject: HRSA Statement

David,

In response to your most recent inquiry, HRSA has the following
statement:

The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to
compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually
caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children
exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy
may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms
including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.

Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries may have
shown signs of autism before the decision to compensate, or may
ultimately end up with autism or autistic symptoms, but we do not track
cases on this basis.

Regards,

David Bowman
Office of Communications
Health Resources and Services Administration
301-443-3376"

Read that again. Then let me translate this for you:

The Office of Communications is saying that, 'We don't compensate for vaccine induced autism, we compensate for vaccine induced encephalopathy (which is just a term that means a change in brain functioning) that turns into autism. And also we don't track if encephalopathy turns into autism, even though most of the symptoms are seen in autism'.

So according to this reasoning, guns cannot kill people, they just cause a perforation that "may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including , sepsis, serious blood loss, organ damage, symptoms of extreme pain or death. Also we just track gun related perforations, not whether or not they bleed or get infected or result in death".

And if you have not seen the Head of CDC embarassing appearance on CNN, please take a few moments to watch this woman behave like an idiot trying to explain this case away:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg&feature=player_embedded

You all are very bright people who have been fed a line of garbage, and you are swallowing it. Please, start thinking critically about the messages that you are being fed by people with very vested interests in there NOT being an association between vaccines and autism.

Hannah Poling, who had a Johns Hopkins neurologist for a father and a nurse/lawyer for a mother proved their case. HRSA conceded this case because her parents had closed every single way for them to wiggle out of it. Now there are more than 5,600 cases in that court. If HRSA admits that vaccines cause autism, that is more than 100 BILLION DOLLARS in pay outs. And there are 300,000 other potential cases out there who have not filed in the court.

The global vaccine industry is only 27 billion per year.

So can you start with the idea that yes... people like Offit, Merck and HRSA have a very, very strong incentive to lie to the point of absurdity to keep the vaccine/autism link from becoming accepted science? And then can you maybe perhaps check their stories that there is no science that supports it? You can start by looking at the review that came out this summer that 74% of the thimerosal research done SUPPORTS the theory that thimerosal containing vaccines can cause autism? http://www.ane.pl/pdf/7021.pdf

You guys are smart.... don't be fooled.

If there was no link, you never would have heard of Hannah Poling, there would be no 20 million pay out, and HRSA/CDC could give you answers that made sense instead of making asses of themselves in public.

Comment: Please start questioning! (Score 0, Troll) 594

by gingertaylor (#33545620) Attached to: Family To Receive $1.5M+ In Vaccine-Autism Award
"How did this happen when all the scientific data points otherwise?" Because all the scientific data does not point otherwise. You have to understand that you are under a huge misconception that there is no research that supports the vaccine autism connection, because you are listening to industry mouthpieces that say, "No evidence of any link" and then you guys spend all day parroting that line back and forth to one another, and you really believe that it is true. So of course this ruling sounds absurd to you. Paul Offit has admitted in the press that he is a "vaccine salesman". He flat out lies in the press, and you guys are just swallowing it with out asking any critical questions. That is not science. I have put together a page where I just started listing the research that supports the vaccine, autism theory. There are more than forty listed, and it is by no means a complete list. You can find it here: http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html And you need to pay attention to the completely absurd statements the government is making in regards to this case. An elementary school teacher would not accept such bad excuses from her students as they are offering to the public. Get this email from HRSA's communication office: "From: Bowman, David (HRSA) [mailto:DBowman@hrsa.gov] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:22 PM To: 'dkirby@nyc.rr.com' Subject: HRSA Statement David, In response to your most recent inquiry, HRSA has the following statement: The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures. Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries may have shown signs of autism before the decision to compensate, or may ultimately end up with autism or autistic symptoms, but we do not track cases on this basis. Regards, David Bowman Office of Communications Health Resources and Services Administration 301-443-3376" Read that again. Then let me translate this for you: The Office of Communications is saying that, 'We don't compensate for vaccine induced autism, we compensate for vaccine induced encephalopathy (which is just a term that means a change in brain functioning) that turns into autism. And also we don't track if encephalopathy turns into autism, even though most of the symptoms are seen in autism'. So according to this reasoning, guns cannot kill people, they just cause a perforation that "may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including , sepsis, serious blood loss, organ damage, symptoms of extreme pain or death. Also we just track gun related perforations, not whether or not they bleed or get infected or result in death". And if you have not seen the Head of CDC embarassing appearance on CNN, please take a few moments to watch this woman behave like an idiot trying to explain this case away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg&feature=player_embedded You all are very bright people who have been fed a line of garbage, and you are swallowing it. Please, start thinking critically about the messages that you are being fed by people with very vested interests in there NOT being an association between vaccines and autism. Hannah Poling, who had a Johns Hopkins neurologist for a father and a nurse/lawyer for a mother proved their case. HRSA conceded this case because her parents had closed every single way for them to wiggle out of it. Now there are more than 5,600 cases in that court. If HRSA admits that vaccines cause autism, that is more than 100 BILLION DOLLARS in pay outs. And there are 300,000 other potential cases out there who have not filed in the court. The global vaccine industry is only 27 billion per year. So can you start with the idea that yes... people like Offit, Merck and HRSA have a very, very strong incentive to lie to the point of absurdity to keep the vaccine/autism link from becoming accepted science? And then can you maybe perhaps check their stories that there is no science that supports it? You can start by looking at the review that came out this summer that 74% of the thimerosal research done SUPPORTS the theory that thimerosal containing vaccines can cause autism? http://www.ane.pl/pdf/7021.pdf You guys are smart.... don't be fooled. If there was no link, you never would have heard of Hannah Poling, there would be no 20 million pay out, and HRSA/CDC could give you answers that made sense instead of making asses of themselves in public.

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