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Comment Re:Citizens come last (Score 1) 308

The budgeted costs for this year are already 1000 million and I wouldn't be surprised that even that wouldn't be enough, especially when you count family reunifications. And next your will probably cost much more as the number of persons that are here, keeps rising rapidly and they have very poor probability of getting work. And there is no need for extermination camps. Just not letting them into country is enough, Besides, the majority of them are just seeking better life standard and not even fleeing war. And fleeing war is not grounds for getting refugee status according to Geneva Convention on Refugees.

And in the end, somebody will have to fight ISIS and stop the spread of it to even wider and wider areas. Those who are fleeing war and leaving their women behind, might as well be the ones, who fight against ISIS. We could support the fight against ISIS with weapons, medical supplies etc.

Comment Re:Don't fret. You just suck at reading comprehens (Score 1) 308

Both of you are using inaccurate, old and/or false information. The situations is much worse than you seem to think. Here are just some examples where you are using false information or misinterpreting it:

-During 2015 the number of asylum seekers in Finland was about 32000 persons and not 15000 persons
-That 15000 euros doesn't cover all costs
-That 2400 persons using relocation of 120000 persons would come on top of that 32000 persons. However, even this relocation scheme is more or less dead (*).
-"Finland is likely to resettle asylum seekers to other countries of the European Union if the bloc creates a permanent and binding mechanism of redistribution of refugees": There doesn't seem to be much political will for this and in any case, it wouldn't make the asylum crisis any better. It would only spread it to even more countries and buy little more time, but the flood from developing countries is in practice endless and accelerating. It is simply unsustainable and must be stopped or Europe as we know it, will collapse.

*) The relocation of 120000 persons from certain South-European countries was one time test. Finland took about 100-200 person of the promised 2400 persons, but all other countries took much less, even if those countries were much bigger and had promised to take much more people than Finland. It seems that this process failed miserably. And in any case, 120000 is only small fraction of persons that are in Southern-Europe. It would not have solved anything, especially as so many persons come in daily, that it would hardly make any difference.

Comment Re:Refugees (Score 1) 308

It won't take long that countries start going bankruptcy or at least stop having welfare system, with social security, healthcare and education. As Milton Friedman said, welfare state is incompatible with open borders. And on top of that, we will have very high level of crime and probably more and more terrorist attacks by ISIS.

Comment Re:Refugees (Score 1) 308

You said that: "The cost of the refugee crisis is orders of magnitude lower than what is needed to keep funding universities as they were previously." It is actually the other way around. The university budget cuts are somewhat more than 100 million euros a year, but much less than the 1000 millions that is budgeted for the asylum seeker crisis. And it is likely that the budgeted 1000 millions won't cover all costs of asylum seekers and during following years the cost of asylum seeker crisis is going to rise rapidly as the number of these "immigrants" staying in this country is going to rise rapidly.

And these immigrants very likely don't cause just temporary problem. For example, in Norway it has been estimated that the lifetime cost of humanitarian immigrant to the country is somewhere between 500000-1000000 euros. Even though some of them will after many years find a job, the total net effect is still quite negative.

And we know from previous persons from these areas that even after many years, the unemployment percentage is extremely high compared to native population. And the education average education level for these "immigrants" is quite low. For example, great majority of persons from Somalia and Afghanistan are even illiterate. And only small percentage persons from Iraq have education that would be useful here.

And our economy is already in quite bad shape, unemployment rates high and we don't have free jobs waiting for these people. If this flood of asylum seekers (most of which are just economic immigrants) continues much longer, we will simply run out of money. We can continue some time with loaned money, but at some point nobody will want to loan money to us. And I don't think it is wise to run this country into chaos and collapse by letting these people come without any end in sight. We are tiny country and we cannot save the billions of poor people who ruin their own countries with backward religion and culture and would like to export it to other countries as well by making far too many babies compared to their capability to take care of them.

Comment Hitler or Putin? (Score 1) 547

It could be next Hitler, but it could also be Putin. Even though invasion by Russia would be disaster and Russia is very corrupted country, with serious human right issues, social problems etc, the longer the Muslim mass movement continues, the larger and larger percentage of population will probably start see even invasion by Russia better option than European countries turning in Muslim countries. I cannot understand why Merkel and some other leading politicians are continuing this social experiment with open doors policy to mass movement, that will turn European countries into ruins -- and not just their own countries.

Comment Re:invite more people in? (Score 1) 547

If we continue just let in all persons from these shithole countries which are shitholes more or less because of Islam, it won't take long before European countries turn into shitholes as well. Islam becomes majority religion with all of the backwardness and welfare state collapses because there simply is not enough money in Europe to become the welfare office for the billions of poor people on Earth. It doesn't matter what is the motives for these welfare refugees, but the end result will be the same.

Comment Re:invite more people in? (Score 1) 547

I am very afraid of this recent development. It seems that Merkel and some other leading politicians are either incredibly naive, unable to do basic calculations about the unsustainability of this mass movement of Muslims to Europe and what this will mean to the European countries.

Islam is very hostile religion towards gays and not that enlightened in other ways either. It is incredibly naive to think that we could change the way they think for most of these persons who move here. And many of them are ultra fanatical about their religion. It is also only wishful thinking that we could easily employ most of these people in reasonable time frame. We already know that even when a lot more persons came here, the employment percentages have stayed really low. And despite claims, most of these asylum seekers have really low education and extremely large percent are even illiterate. And even many of the educated ones don't have education that is really comparable to the European education and they don't speak local languages etc. And we cannot afford to be a welfare office to the rest of world, which is much larger than Europe. And the population density of large parts of Europe is already quite dense.

Large percentage of population is getting really angry that the politicians don't seem to listen their worries and just let about everybody in, even though this will lead Muslims becoming majority in relatively short time frame, collapse of welfare system, collapse of human rights, creeping sharia laws, terrorism, losing rights of gays, women etc.

If this mass movement is not stopped soon, there will be total chaos in Europe. Terrorism, economic collapse, famine, wars, breaking down of countries, civil wars, perhaps ethnic cleansings, mass persecution of gays etc.

In my opinion it is no coincidence why Muslim countries tend to be such horrible places. It is because of the religion and I certainly don't want sharia law, terrorism, being threatened because of being gay, chaos etc to my home country and other European countries. I cannot understand why Merkel and Sweden for so long are doing this kind of social experiment that will lead to really horrible result.

Comment Re:Asylum-seeker flood is destroying Europe (Score 1) 965

Most of the asylum seekers in EU are not from Syria. In Finland only about 3 percent are from Syria (the average in EU is about 25 percent, if I remember correctly). The rest of the people are coming from all kinds of places, like Afganistan, Iraq (BTW, the population of Baghdad alone is over 7 million persons, so it has much larger population than the whole Finland), Somalia, Nigeria etc. And the population of developing countries is growing by tens of millions yearly and they aren't able to take care of this rapidly growing population and it starts to overflow to Europe.

And in your calculation, you failed to take into account the family reunification (and the fact that the migrants will make their babies as well). Family unification alone, can easily multiple the number of persons coming (as the family size in Muslim countries is often quite large) and so will making babies. And even if we didn't take all this into account, I would find it a pretty big change that during my lifetime I would become a minority in my own country which would be then a Muslim country. Most of the persons so far have been men and I am pretty sure that very large percentage of them either already have a wife (and children) or will bring a wife from Muslim countries and make children during their lives.

Comment Re:Asylum-seeker flood is destroying Europe (Score 1) 965

Is much more than just half a million. And there is no end in sight and the number of persons coming, is increasing constantly. And on top of that, the asylum seekers are very unevenly divided between the EU countries. They aren't interested going to the poorest EU countries.

For example in Finland, at the moment the average number of persons coming to the country is several hundreds a day, even though we are about the most distant country. You can compare to the birth rate which is about 150 babies a day. And you have to multiply that number because of family reunions. At this speed Finns are going to be minority in Islamic country within relative short time even if the immigrants didn't make any babies and much faster as in reality they too make babies. However, before that happens, the economy is going to collapse, which might slow down to flood.

The population of Finland is about 5.5 million. And now Russia is about to start pouring several hundreds of asylum seekers over the border to Finland (before this, most of the asylum seekers came trough several EU states to Finland) as a method to pressure Finland on knees.

Comment Asylum-seeker flood is destroying Europe (Score 2, Insightful) 965

I have said it before and I say it now: This current flow of asylum-seekers to Europe is unsustainable and is destroying Europe. This terrorism is just one example of it.

Several European countries are on verge of war. Angela Merkel and the foreign minister of Luxembourg have both said this, although I disagree with their idea that allowing the flood continue would prevent those wars. Letting the flood continue just makes problems worse.

The other thing is the the flood is so heavy that in many countries there isn't free buildings available anymore. And the costs of providing social security etc is going to cost enormous sums of money which simply is not available for long term. And we know that the employment rates of these immigrants are extremely low even during good economic times and at the moment economy in not in that good shape, unemployment rates are already high etc.

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