Even that is a misnomer. It's more of a blend, not distinct steps.
Which lies? His trusting (just like, say, Clinton did) what the CIA told him about the status of WMDs in Iraq?
See? There you go, reciting press releases. No, he lied. Try to get that through your head. These people lie to get what they want, and depending on their affiliations, you may or may not believe them. And you have made your alliances perfectly clear. You are just, being, partisan, tribal really. I know nothing will change, so carry on.
As I said in a previous thread, an alternative plan had already been laid out, so the old one could be allowed to die... with great public fanfare from Mr. Paul, and everybody comes out stinking like a rose. You are absolutely right, hardly anybody sees the big picture. That is what these little side shows are for. I can assure you that if he had any real power, he would not be biting these peoples' ankles. Once you hit the big time, you don't go around tipping apple carts. And it did accomplish nothing but bump up the ad rates on the TV news for a short while. The laws are back in place, as if the NSA needs authorization, and republicans and democrats will continue to dominate.
I can't go far enough back to provide links, but you have given complete credence to Bush's lies over the wars, and lot more than four Americans are died for those lies. I can only imagine the support you gave Reagan over Beirut and Iran/Contra, but I can be certain you weren't nearly so critical. Your facade is translucent at best. You are just here repeating meme after meme... Pretend all you want, you don't know what happened in Libya, much less why it happened. We all get the same press releases. All the lies are just part of the business. You are only making a big deal out of it because of your opposition to this particular faction. You decry the actor and not the act, very typical of you people.
A lot of good his little song and dance did... Eh, easy to speak up when nobody is listening.
Forget it man.. Lock 'em up! Whatever makes you feel good.
You pick and choose which lies to point out and which ones to believe on a strictly partisan basis, so yes, that is partisan. It is a statistical certainty your reaction would be entirely different if your chosen party was in charge.
Remember the part about the garnishment? Try to make the connection. Take 90%, no, fuck them, just leave them about 800 bucks a month and a can opener. In the meantime you can still monitor their every move. Also, you really don't have to let them back to the stock market, they can also learn to fix toilets if they find McDonalds too disgusting... Once again, prison is not the way.
Well, yes, you are running a private club. But in public forums, especially those associated with mass media, news, politics, whatever, anonymous postings are a necessary and valuable element. The best ones still allow it. (a nod to Slashdot) And besides, well written trolls are a plus. Anything that forces people to think... Right now most beliefs are based on the appeal to authority and distrust on the ad hominem.. Anonymous posting permits none of that. All that is left is the message. Identifying the messenger serves mostly as as distraction.
Typical arrogance (or "professional" troll?), so authoritative on things you cannot possibly understand.
You're just being partisan.
It seems like whenever an organization DOES try an astroturfing campaign ("Citizens for Enhanced Comcast Monopoly") it gets spotted so quickly for what it is that it seems to achieve negative results.
Not when it is framed as an *Exciting new customer experience at lower than low prices that only we, with our grand national infrastructure and 5 billion channels, can provide*. This is why Comcast already enjoys its monopoly it holds now.
This stuff is all over the place. Somebody just got named. And who knows? With this Ukraine thing, there's plenty of propaganda flying in both directions. Some people on this side have a war to sell. And the fact is that our wars were sold to us by professional "trolls", precisely through mass media. Sounds pretty nefarious to me... Definitely state sponsored astroturfing.
Well, the problem is who are you going to trust. Mass media puts out some truly incredible stuff. After all, it is a tool of the powerful. But, I'm sorry, to "get tricked" by anything you hear on Twitter, Facebook, etc goes a bit beyond the absurd, just at face value of the medium. And really, we all know that trolling is a global enterprise, and that the Americans are probably the best in the business. (Actually, I would put that on the Brits, being the literary giants they are) Notice that nobody wants to believe they might actually outpace the Russians by a long shot. Russians are not known for their subtlety so their work may appear crude and more obvious. Sometimes the people who don't make the news are the more interesting subject. Staying in the background has its advantages.
What's your plan? Demand a license to operate a computer on the internet? Censorship is not the answer. I can tune out the trolls. Maybe that is something to teach the kids in school.
Frankly put, I'm unaware of "American organized political trolling" that rivals this.
Americans are quick to believe the Official Narrative, no matter how absurd. Mass media is the professional 'troll' that gets people to fight each here.