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Comment Re:There's an old curse (Score 1) 475

This could be something as small as a diplomatic tiff, maybe expel a diplomat or two; they could impose some kind of economic sanctions on them (not sure what the level of trade or cooperation there is between Russia and Turkey); or, most severely, retaliate in kind.

They've already withdrawn a diplomatic visit, they've withdrawn military cooperation (even to the extent that they had it) and there's a big push to damage the Turkish tourism industry through reducing Russian visitors. That's just today.

What'll be more interesting is if Turkish aircraft fly over Syria. Looks like the Russians are going to treat that as a hostile act - to Assad, if not to themselves - and probably look to shoot them down.

Could well be that Turkey's just inhibited their own ability to support the Turkmen 'rebels' and to conduct operations against the Kurds.

Comment Re:Litigious Much (Score 1) 736

When you are discriminated against because of your gender, some cunt is being sexist.

Why is that so hard for you to accept?

I have no confirmation bias. I don't recognise this bullshit male privilege nonsense that feminists keep bleating on about. I sure as shit don't benefit from it. You'll have to forgive me for working for my own success, despite fighting against the multiple ways in which society disadvantages me, whether on gender or other grounds.

Comment Re:He she said (Score 1) 475

The downing of the plane is a nice precedent making it easier to down NATO planes once they fly over Syria and bomb or supply the 'wrong' side.

Taking into account the overflight occurred twice, that's a whole four km of Turkey being flown over.

This wasn't a perceived defensive move, this was aggressive posturing. Ironic that it's someone else doing that to Putin though.

Comment Re:Still wondering (Score 1) 475

If, as the article states, the Russian pilots came down in Syrian territory, then why should we believe they were flying above Turkeye?

Crashing four kilometres from the border leaves plenty of room for doubt.

Further this incident gives Putin the possibility to start downing the French, German, Britain planes within Syria.

Not remotely. If he does, that's going to result in a very rapid reduction in Russian air power.

The only thing I anticipate 'The Allied Forces' to do is bomb the hell out of Assad's infrastructure and military facilities.

What the fuck does Assad have to do with this? Why would you bring him into it? Are you talking complete shit?

Just like what happened in Syria. 'The Allied' got permission to establish a no-fly zone and took the opportunity to destroy pretty much the whole irrigation system that Ghaddafi had installed.

Ah. Yes, you are.

Comment Re:Some innacuraties (Score 1) 475

I hope NATO will stay out of this. If they start a WW3, I desert. I won't fight or even pay taxes for islamists.

If the Russian aircraft was invading Turkish airspace, despite multiple warnings, then Turkey was acting within its rights.

If that leads to Russia attacking Turkey, Turkey will request NATO support. At that point I hope to hell NATO steps up and provides that support, because otherwise WWIII will kick off, and in earnest.

What's interesting right now is where the Russian aircraft was when it was attacked.

Of course, since Russia invaded Crimea and Ukraine my general feeling is "fuck 'em", although since I admire the Kurds and their general approach to life I'm not exactly supporting Turkey either.

Comment Re:Turkey downing plane (Score 2) 475

A 70s airframe killed a 70s airframe.

It's not a surprise that a fighter kills a same generation ground attack aircraft. Reality is that the F16 would've had the advantage in the 70s, let alone when the Su-24 is intentionally ignoring the threat.

Shit, the Tornado is an excellent airframe and I'd expect one to lose to an F16 almost every time. Also a 70s design..

Comment Re:Children or not (Score 1) 200

The UK charges court fees only to people found guilty. Right now magistrates are resigning because the charges are different if you plead innocent or guilty, so justice is not happening due to people with no money pleading guilty to avoid the risk of the higher fees.

Charging innocent people seems impossibly punitive.

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