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You sound like you should probably learn a little something about Che, Castro, and other latin American dissidents of the previous century, and what precisely led to their dissatisfaction and eventual rebellion. That's not to sugar-coat the man Che became and his eventual ruthlessness. But to dismiss them as simply wishing to establish totalitarianism shows total lack of knowledge of Cuba's history or the context of their revolution.
Your knowledge of the revolution and the governance of England is also rather lacking.
Also consider semantics: just because they aren't fighting for -YOUR- concept of freedom, doesn't mean they aren't fighting for freedom.
American Freedom is not the only definition of freedom, in fact it's rather lacking in many ways.
Why should I provide a citation? I provided the citations the last 20 times you said this same exact drivel just a few days ago. But you didn't pay attention then, and I doubt you will now. If you truly care that much and just happened to miss them (several times in a row) try your post history.
When you act in the public market you are no longer acting as a private citizen, but as a public accommodation. you are offering goods and services in exchange for money, be it a motel, restaurant, lawyer, or bakery.
a private citizen acting in a private manner has religious freedom.
his business does not.
And denying services for discriminatory reasons IS illegal and is not a thought crime.
The basic protected classes established under Federal Law are ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...) :
Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Color – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964
National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Age (40 and over) – Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Sex – Equal Pay Act of 1963 and Civil Rights Act of 1964
Pregnancy – Pregnancy Discrimination Act
Citizenship – Immigration Reform and Control Act
Familial status – Civil Rights Act of 1968 Title VIII: Housing cannot discriminate for having children, with an exception for senior housing
Disability status – Vocational Rehabilitation and Other Rehabilitation Services of 1973 and Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
Veteran status – Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 and Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act
Genetic information – Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
In addition some states and cities have recognized other protected classes in addition to the these. For ex, in Washington DC (and a few states) you cannot discriminate on the basis of political ideology.
And allow me to quote what you said:
If I walked into a bakery and legally compelled them to bake a cake depicting a same-sex couple that they don't want to bake... aren't I the one imposing my values?
So not only do you not know what you are talking about, you apparently don't even know what you just said.
The baker in entering the public marketplace gives up certain rights.
A business operating in the public marketplace must do business with the public, all of the public.
Also: homesexuality is not a value any more than skin color is a value.
but then we covered this before: you don't know what you're talking about.
good luck fighting a lawyer without a lawyer
shouldnt be allowed in ANY states
You really need to learn some definitions and concepts.
City buses are called "public transportation" because they are typically operated by the local government, ie, public. not because the public at large may use them.
as an extension of government, city buses cannot discriminate under Title III (3) of the CRA of 1964, which "Prohibited state and municipal governments from denying access to public facilities on grounds of race, color, religion or national origin.", this really though is just an extension of the already extent Equal Protection Clause, simply being spelled out specifically.
A cab company may be privately owned, but it is still considered a "public accommodation" because it is a entity that does business with the public in exchange for money. And such public accommodations ARE ALSO prohibited from discrimination, but under a different section of the law, Title II (2). this was hte game changed, this was new. This prohibited private business from hiding behind the cloak of being a private entity in order to enable discrimination. This is the part of hte law that says "if you do business with the public, you do business with ALL of it, and cannot discriminate".
Seriously, read about the fucking law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...
at what point during the purchases of the cake was the person also offered for sale?
Oh thats right, you dont know what youre talking about.
you speak in hyperbole and irrational stupidity, instead logic and fact.
and you have roughly the intelligence of a high schooler, which explains the insistence on using stupid libertarian logic.
Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title II: Outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce; exempted private clubs without defining the term "private".
Like the man said: you don't know what you're talking about.
business's dont have freedom.
most businesses CAN refuse service to someone for almost any reason.
ALMOST... being the key word.
The exceptions being various classes protected against discrimination.
No shoes? Acceptable reason.
Skin color? Unacceptable reason.
Loud agressive posturing? Acceptable reason.
Sexual orientation or gender identity? unacceptable reason.
and since you overhead planning that is criminal in intent, you definitely arent required to enable that either. that's a pretty bad hypothetical.
you cannot be forced to engage in someone else's discrimination.
you cannot force your own discrimination on others.
it's not fucking difficult.
Not how it works.
Freedom of Association applies to private persons and groups, not to a business operating in the public market.