its good to see sony learn from their mistakes. its one of the companies i can compare with apple as far as innovation goes. the atrac format is another example where they stumbled but with the appearance of sony at last weeks macworld, i anticipate some exciting new products coming from the cooperation of both companies. the ipod is the best mp3 player right now, but i fully expected real ipod competetion to come from sony. however i wouldn't count them out.