oh its gonna be a flame war i see i dont do those, Just shows how smart you are " i got my answer" mission accomplished and you cant get enough of it. You should see if theres any money in that seriously. but you would fail at beeing a good heckler i doubt you have the intelligence to be a good one. i didnt want to flame i hate flaming and getting labled as troll for saying a real hacker doesnt harm well the hackers i know and they are real and they dont harm. maybe i got it wrong or maybe that definition you fetched is wrong and labled all hackers the same way. It seems to have really done that. "The hackers i know dont harm" they do it for a challenge to find the vulnerability etc the access point they will even tell the operating systems about it,before it gets out. I should of said all hackers arent the same. Ok as this definition has stated. Kevin Mitnick was labled a hacker but for what kinda hacking he done was illegal and he is labled the best. The best dont get caught isnt that the whole objective anyway not to get caught while your doing something in that way, well he got caught. they should of labled him "the best caught hacker" not the best hacker. A hacker would have to know how to program to be any good at it not rely on other peoples kiddie tools or well maybe to cause harm maybe a better hacker made the tool, but a hacker dont give away his trade secrets if he is doing it for harm. ok since i read the definition i totally change my mind but will not lable my friends that for they do not do harm. boy they can surely penetrate a os and they have told me theres a hell of alot of ways in windows. i like these hacking competitions. one beeing the one with ubuntu windows and osx. if you followed what were the one they didnt get into. ill answer ubuntu. osx failed because of safari and windows failed well because its windows. the hackers enjoyed that or they would of not done it right. did they cause harm. NOOOO, Theres even hackers who get paid to do what they do not because they "harm" they find ways in and its totally legal well just depends were you live i guess in the United States it is anyway. The United States have hackers they use some of the caught ones to work for them, why so they dont to prision the rest of there lifes. You got a choice Prision for the rest of your life or work for The US Goverment jeez thats a hard decision if i where a hacker that caused that much harm id say US Goverment and actually get paid for it, they get paid good so ive heard. That definition shouldnt be used to lable all hackers as in saying all hackers cause harm. They dont. Theres more than one type of Hacker i knew this before i made the comment i was just seeing what you people would say and all you come up with is that damn definition. Theres hackers thats good with the telephone aka phreakers, remember the blackbox heh those were the days. I should of said i respect the hackers that dont cause know harm and there reasoning of hacking is for the challenge. If your gonna hack please dont do it for a pointless reason there has to be some stadegy. I got so mad when they labled that kid who got in sarah palins email a hacker, i know how he done it because he lives really close to me, ive followed the story all the kid done is use a yahoo password cracker and got labled a hacker, how pathetic is that. This new world has depressed me. Alot of people believes all hackers cause harm thats not true. some find vulnerabilities and tell operating systems etc about them those are what i call "Real Hackers" there doing good with there craft. did you know you can get a certification to be a hacker its called ethical hacking hmm i knew this but for some reason it helps you to better secure a network. I think its worthless but a degree gets the job not the talent. this would also get you the job in network security say your in the interview and they ask how can you secure my network without a degree, the answer is this by breaking into it and telling you how i did so. if say so company thinks you have to have that certification to prove yourself and they say you have to be certified to do that. Then you say well let me break into your network if your good at what you do you will find a way in,but if your not then the possibilities your not going to unless they have a very unsecure network. but go ahead if you must lable all hackers bad, If you convinced of that nothing is going to change your mind in the first place so such definition is unfair to the hackers who do it for good and to benifit there job in network security. Theres alot of hackers who do it for good not bad and not illegal. And theres some who do it illegal those are a discrace to the type of hacker i respect because they are harming people. If you want to make money im saying this to the ones who do it illegal and are good theres legal ways to make more and no risk of jail. for the pissants who use hacking to hack random people and dont benifit in no way lets say no money, either they have made you real mad but if they have made you that mad go kick there ass, it does wonders and grow up. dont let internet talk bother you, i dont its gibberish of a bunch of pinheads with no life but to insult people on the net. i bet 80 percent of those internet people wouldnt do it to your face see they would have a fear in getting there ass kick they would think twice. And most garbage talkers if you seen them you in person you would laugh so hard you couldnt stop. I simply feel sorry for the ones who insult grow up and please get a life. And if you let it bother you then you got no life to start with. Fact theres diffrent kinds of hackers i gave you examples now are you gonna still lable them all as bad, and this are you gonna say you cant hack legally and make money. if you say its not possible to hack and make money legally, your a pinhead end of story moral of story dont lable all hackers the same. theres more than one kind of hacker, hell we got a breed that just came out they call there selfs iphone hackers and take pride in it to. I guess what ever floats your boat. I hacked my bios so i didnt have to pay for windows so it will allways stay activated and i dont even own that kind of computer i make them believe i do, tiger direct is one hell of a place to buy computer parts there cheaper but i prefer newegg even though there a little higher on things there customer service is top notch say it you have a DOA no questions asked you ship part back into them and they pay for posting well atleast they did for me and quickly i got my part back. i just ordered a part off tiger direct 3 weeks ago it was doa im still waiting on it to get here. moral or story sometime's cheaper comes back and bites on on the bottom even though its the same part and brand.