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Comment: Re:You Answered It Yourself in Your Question (Score 1) 507

by curmudgeon99 (#47768617) Attached to: If Java Wasn't Cool 10 Years Ago, What About Now?
Danged interesting. Thank you for this.
My primary beef with Go is the same one I had with .NET and now with Facebook's Hack language. When the language name is a common word, it makes it hard to search on. If you go to stackoverflow and search on "Hack", you get everything but what you want. Try "Facebook Hack" and you get articles on ways to make things work on Facebook. It isn't until you go for "Facebook Hack Language" that you get what you wanted. So, how do you search for "Go"?

On Stackoverflow.com, when you search for "Go", you get:

1,488,459 hits and none dealing with the language.

Searching on "Google Go" gets you:

52,546 hits.
It takes a search on "Google Go Language" to yield fruit.

But I guess you already indicated the hack for getting those results, ala "dot-net": GoLang

Comment: Re:You Answered It Yourself in Your Question (Score 1) 507

by curmudgeon99 (#47752433) Attached to: If Java Wasn't Cool 10 Years Ago, What About Now?
I have done production work using Ruby on Rails (but the back end was still all Java). You are free to use any language you want. Learning Java has turned out to be the best career decision I have ever made. I have never heard any employer say: "The API on that language is too big!" You are free to use whatever language you want.

Comment: You Answered It Yourself in Your Question (Score 2) 507

by curmudgeon99 (#47743711) Attached to: If Java Wasn't Cool 10 Years Ago, What About Now?
Java was originally the free alternative to the Evil Empire--Microsoft. Because everything Microsoft sold was serious green--and because everything in the Java world could be found for free [Eclipse vs Visual Studio], [MySQL vs SQL Server], [Tomcat, JBoss, etc vs IIS] it was a no brainer.

Now, the single reason that Java is allegedly uncool is because it's the incumbent. It has been kicking ass, dominating the Enterprise Tech stack for so long that it's obviously not going to be hip and cool.

.NET is dead or dying while Java is the bearded king, hanging on and going strong.

Sure you have Python or Perl or Ruby or Go or Hack or Node.js or whatever but they just never seem to catch on in a big way. Sure, you'll find somebody who swears by Python or who thinks that Facebook's Hack abortion is the shit but they just don't catch on and they become curiosities.

Java remains the shit because it was the Anti Microsoft. Write Once, Run Anywhere [which of course was never totally true] but at least it's not Microsoft. Now that Microsoft is dead you have all these companies that tried to dethrone it but they have not been able. Google's "Go"? Even Google chose to base Android on Java. Java is not cool but it still owns the marketplace. For the foreseeable future.

Comment: Re:What To Keep, What To Pitch (Score 1) 219

by curmudgeon99 (#44944407) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Prioritizing Saleable Used Computer Books?
You know something, Coward, you're so right! What was I thinking? Desktop Metro apps are sweeping the marketplace. Across the globe, enterprises are chucking their vast investments in Web Apps and building desktop Metro Apps using .NET. Thank you for bringing me to my senses, Coward. Yes, I think you're right. I need to rush right out and buy up a bunch of books on .NET and get started right away, learning the language of the future, .NET and the CLR. Thank you! You're my salvation. You've saved me from a career steeped in the massive Java stack and the occasional RubyOnRails. All of those are going in the trash--Coward. You're so right, Coward! I've been such a fool to see the market dominance of Java as being meaningful. The future is Metro, Metro, Metro and .NET is along for the ride. Yay! Thank you for helping me to see the light!

Comment: Re:What To Keep, What To Pitch (Score 1) 219

by curmudgeon99 (#44942765) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Prioritizing Saleable Used Computer Books?
Funny how your remarks are self contradictory. If you're writing in HTML and JavaScript, where do they run? Generally, that means an application server. But if you're writing standalone programs well yes they don't need an app server. But very few of us actually write stand alone apps that don't need some app server to run in.
Secondly, the point of bringing up Metro is the effect it will have on .NET, which means making it obsolete. In case you haven't noticed, nobody but MS is pushing .NET. So, if your primary champion gets on another horse, the future of .NET is not bright. Yes, everybody says they use the "best tool for the job" and that's why there are so many Scala jobs out there. That's why so many companies are clamoring to write SmallTalk apps. I worked for a big company in NYC that used Flex until we discovered it sucked and wasn't up to the task and then we switched our front end to Ruby on Rails which was awesome. So, I in no way am implying that Java is the only game in town. Instead, my point is that .NET is not a language with a bright future ahead--and that's why I would not recommend the used book store guy at the head of this article keep around a lot of old .NET books. Point made. Time for more Anonymous Cowards without the courage to write under their real handles to swarm.

Comment: Re:What To Keep, What To Pitch (Score 1) 219

by curmudgeon99 (#44930181) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Prioritizing Saleable Used Computer Books?
Funny, if Java is such a terrible mess then why oh why is it kicking .NET's ass in the marketplace? Why are companies--including even Microsoft--dumping the entire CLR like last week's cottage cheese? Java is not perfect but it gets the job done and all across the country it is the language of choice. It's fast enough and secure enough unless you code like an idiot and are still 4 versions behind.

Finally, yet another meaningless AC, what application server do you stand up in a meeting and propose you use in a MS Shoppe, if not ISS? I've seen it happen before. A project takes on one tiny slice of the Borg from Redmond and before you know it, they have been forced to deploy the whole Redmond stack. It's comical. And I notice that you have not addressed the elephant in the room--Metro. Your own company--MS--has pitched you .NETers over the side. That had to smart.

Comment: Re:What To Keep, What To Pitch (Score 1) 219

by curmudgeon99 (#44926049) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Prioritizing Saleable Used Computer Books?
Every single item you listed is crippleware.
On the Java side, for example, you get production class versions of everything.
Express = Crippled and you know it.

Ultimately, if a developer uses your crippleware to build an app, her company is just going to have to shell out big bucks to MS to buy expensive tool sets. I notice you did not list IIS on your list of CrippleWare. But I'm sure there's a crippled version of ISS floating around somewhere too.

Comment: Re:What To Keep, What To Pitch (Score 1) 219

by curmudgeon99 (#44921355) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Prioritizing Saleable Used Computer Books?
Dude, nobody gets hired anymore for knowing "basic programming". Also, in most enterprises that I have worked in, mobile apps are novelties. Nobody really bets the farm on a mobile app unless that's their entire business. Enterprises have bigger fish to fry than making another Angry Birds.
In NYC, having .NET on your resume was considered a black mark--because it meant you were a button pusher who didn't understand what was actually happening. It meant you were akin to a script kiddy: Why we don't hire .NET coders

Comment: Re:What To Keep, What To Pitch (Score 1) 219

by curmudgeon99 (#44921335) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Prioritizing Saleable Used Computer Books?
Dude, If you read my first post, I prefaced it with "My opinion".
Second, I've never had a job that expected anyone to know both Java and .NET. Java and .NET are such massive languages--with all the ancillary technologies you must know to be competent--that I wouldn't expect anyone to know both. But knock yourself out.
Third, I have never been asked to spend a dime on anything I was learning. Learning "stuff" does not seem that fruitful to me.

Lastly, where do you get off saying I'm fricking dictating to you--AC? Learn whatever the hell you learn. But I really can't understand why you would want to start learning .NET now since Metro is shit-canning it for HTML5 and Javascript. But it's your life. Enjoy your obsolescence.

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