that is fine, encyption is good, BUT all the websites around the world would have to accept encrypted connections for this approach to work. what we are doing in the uk is to highlight what the ISP's are doing and actively encouraging users to migrate to ones which do not use or plan to use this sort of technology, the idea is if you can't kill the beast legally starve it to death but removing its revenue stream. this is already partly achieved as the UK ICO has said for the system to be legal under UK data proction laws it has to be opt-in with a clear statement as to what the user is opting in for, so they can make an informed choice. BT and PHORM wanted an opt out with no details as many do not change defaults, so we have won a few of the battles just not the whole campaign so far peter