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Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 1) 296

by PopeRatzo (#49502945) Attached to: Columbia University Doctors Ask For Dr. Mehmet Oz's Dismissal

Would you be behind a movement to label all foods that contain "Chemicals" with a label that says "Contains Chemicals"?

No, "contains chemicals" doesn't tell me what's in the food.

You may not realize this, but there's already a law that requires food to be labeled for the chemicals that are in it. It's been in place for decades, and somehow, the world hasn't ended and the food companies are still making food and people are still eating.

Have you looked at a package of potato chips recently? Do you think the words "BUTYLATED HYDROXYANISOLE" on the label just got there by magic? Do you think consumers have a right to know that PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OIL is in the food they eat? People know that shit is bad for you, but they still eat potato chips. So what exactly is the harm in people knowing whether or not that styrofoam package contains corn that is from a genetically modified organism? What are you so afraid of?

Comment: Re:Copyrighting History (Score 1) 155

by PopeRatzo (#49502681) Attached to: Joseph Goebbels' Estate Sues Publisher Over Diary Excerpt Royalties

Brother, that's the truth.

Even worse, is that we have works that have been in the public domain, sometimes for decades, and all of a sudden are protected under copyright again. It's a total scam and it's absolutely doing damage to future generations and to culture generally.

Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 1) 296

by PopeRatzo (#49502509) Attached to: Columbia University Doctors Ask For Dr. Mehmet Oz's Dismissal

But there's no valid decision a consumer could make with a GMO label

You still don't get it. Consumer decisions don't need to be based on "valid information", they just need to be based on true information. It why someone picks a Chevy over a Ford or Kleenex tissue over Puffs. It's preference. If you're selling a product, you don't get to decide for your customers. They get to decide based on whatever criteria they choose. If they think the Kleenex label is better for their needs than a Puffs label, then the only thing that matters is that when they order Kleenex, they get Kleenex and not Puffs. Because they're the ones paying.

If I decide to buy a product made locally instead of a nearly identical one made somewhere else, there might be a whole host of reasons for that decision. But what can't happen in a "free market" is for something to be sold as made in Chicago when it's really made in Dallas, just because the producer believes that the Dallas product is just as good as the one made in Chicago.

It's not GMO-free food (or I guess food with GMOs) that people want, it's the labeling. Since consumers can see what foods are labeled with, they have the information to make a buying decision.

Now you've appointed yourself the person who decides what people want?

We're done here. You don't believe in "free markets" or in people's ability to have agency over the way they spend their money. You've become such a zealot for GMOs that you're prepared to take away that agency in the name of...something.

I cannot have a meaningful discussion with someone who believes people must not have certain information because you don't believe they "need" it. That's not "pro-Science", that's anti-Science.

Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 1) 296

by PopeRatzo (#49501999) Attached to: Columbia University Doctors Ask For Dr. Mehmet Oz's Dismissal

If you're saying it's a market decision, then the market will work it out, right?

Markets are only efficient when all the parties have good information. And "markets" and "marketing" do not refer to the same thing.

Withholding a specific bit of information that consumers say they want is a sure way to make sure "the market" won't function efficiently.

Do you understand?

It's not like a label "Contains Asbestos" that would signify a clear ingredient with a clear health disadvantage.

I already said that for me, it's not an issue of health. It's a simple consumer decision that includes whether or not I like a company or industry's business practices. In your brave new world, am I allowed to make a decision based on that information or not? Am I allowed to make consumer decisions based on whatever I want or must I stick to your prescribed set of approved parameters?

Putting "GMO" on food would just confuse people even more

Then it's an issue of marketing and consumer education. Not of science, There is no "scientific" reason to withhold a piece of information from a consumer. Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to upwards of 90% of consumers who are demanding GMO labeling (and over 65% of those people want those labels to be mandated by law).

When did you get appointed the steward of what information people are allowed or not allowed to have?

Comment: Re:I wouldn't call that a "surveillence society" (Score 5, Insightful) 160

by Opportunist (#49501915) Attached to: The Upsides of a Surveillance Society

In 1984, people also weren't always under observation by their telescreen. Actually, they almost never were. What made them "behave" was simply that they didn'T know when they would be.

So just not having a camera "trained on you" every second of your life doesn't make the total surveillance any less invasive. When you cannot tell whether you have privacy, you have none.

Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 1) 296

by PopeRatzo (#49501819) Attached to: Columbia University Doctors Ask For Dr. Mehmet Oz's Dismissal

My question is why you're trying to use a legal argument on a topic that should be decided on the scientific basis of the things;

No, no, no. It's not a legal argument, it's not a scientific argument, it's a consumer argument.

Consumers are the ones paying for the product and the label, and they overwhelmingly want to know if there are GMOs in them. If you and the chemical industry believe that GMOs are getting a bad rap, then that's a marketing issue. But strangely, instead of spending the money on marketing, they're spending the money on doing everything they can to keep people from finding out the ineluctable fact that there are GMOs in their food.

GMOs are not the first product that consumers have been skeptical of. But they're the first ones that the industry decided the solution was not better marketing, but rather obfuscation, misdirection and hiding the provenance of their product. Don't you think that's an interesting development?

Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 1) 296

by PopeRatzo (#49501789) Attached to: Columbia University Doctors Ask For Dr. Mehmet Oz's Dismissal

Should we label every scary thing in the future?

You're not paying attention. GMOs should be labeled not because they're scary, but because consumers want to know.

Consumers are the ones paying for every bit of research, every step in the production process. They're the ones paying for the lawyers, they're the ones paying for the lobbyists and they're the ones paying for the labels that are put on the product.

Do you get that? GMOs should be labeled because the people who are paying for them want them to be labeled. Why is that so hard for the waves of GMO supporters who mobilize whenever there is this discussion to understand?

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