You're still not approaching it from the RISK MITIGATION angle, which is the only thing that matters in this discussion.
Really? The only thing? Well, I'm glad you're hear to hand down some more 'sensibleness' like that.
To continue to argue against this point is to say people should take drugs if the statistics say it's mostly harmless.
Where have I said that? This is the second time you have made that assertion of me and I state, again, that I am not making a recommendation either for or against. I am pointing out the fallacies that you cling to. If an activity of any sort is misunderstood, misrepresented or poorly researched then you cannot make an informed decision about it. You are poorly informed. Clearly you find me saying that offensive.
Let me be plain. I do not think people _should_ do anything. I think that it is reasonable to let people make their own decisions and to assist them in making the best decisions by making sure they have accurate information and are capable of informed consent. That includes driving in traffic, using caffeine, taking antibiotics or using recreational drugs.
They test the materials for their tolerances. Then they build as far away from the thresholds as is physically and financially and ethically/legally possible.
So you are saying that first they thoroughly understand the materials they are working with, research the matter and then decide whether something is too risky to proceed, or whether it is safe enough? That sounds sensible. Why do you object so much when I suggest that this might be a good model for assessing drug use?
In the case of recreational drugs, NOT DOING IT is a completely REASONABLE decision regardless of the statistics because it DOESN'T COST YOU ANYTHING.
Friend, you drink tea. Therefore you use a recreational drug (caffeine). It has very few side effects and most people can use it sensibly and without addiction. A few do not. Clearly you have made the cost/benefit and risk/reward analysis and decided that, for you, tea is an acceptable recreational drug. In fact, you probably don't even consider it a drug because it is so socially acceptable and you are clearly incapable of objectivity (on this matter at least).
Fearmongering is not reasonable, no matter how you capitalise it. You have seen some examples of people who have used drugs and who have had their lives 'ruined'. You have chosen to blame drugs, even though most evidence shows that people who do struggle with drug addiction do so because they have deeper problems in their lives. By blaming the drug and asserting that "NOT DOING IT" "DOESN"T COST YOU ANYTHING" you get to ignore whether they are struggling with mental illnesses, whether their lives are so bleak and hollow that the temporary respite of narcotics is worth the escape, regardless of the price. You get to sit in lofty judgement and continue to deliver your homilies on how easy choosing not to use is. You refuse to accept the possibility that you may be wrong on a topic that you continue to demonstrate you have next to no experience in or with, and yet cling to your ignorance as a defence against having to consider that life might not be so black and white as you'd like.
Fucking hell drug users have the most inane justifications for their failures.
And you have the most self-righteous justification for your success. I get that you worked hard to get where you are, and I truly am happy that your life is going well. Being the child of poor migrants cannot have been easy, and it is to your credit that you have succeeded as well as you have. But hard work alone is not enough. Whether you realise it or not, your success is also dependent on a large number of factors over which you had no control. I know many people who have worked hard and continue to work hard who have not had your success. Difficult as your life may have been, others face greater difficulties. Perhaps they aren't as smart as you, perhaps they didn't have access to the education that you had. It sounds like your parents encouraged and taught you the value of saving and working hard. Not everyone has parents that can or will do that. Some have parents that abused them. Some have worked hard and then had chance take that from them. An accident. An illness.
By seeing drug abuse (not drug use - you continue to conflate the two) as the _cause_ of the problem and not a symptom, you get to maintain your moral superiority and to assert that their problems would go away if they just didn't take drugs. How simple. Why don't they just do it? Other people have tried to tell you how smug, self-congratulatory and unsympathetic that sounds. I'll go further. Your position is childish, selfish and ill-educated. Grow up. Seriously.
Teaching kids to not do something that is ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY is not "incomplete" or "incorrect".
Teaching them that 10% of drug users ruin their lives is. That's a statistic you just made up. Go on, back it up. Educate yourself. Try and find some real statistics on drug use vs drug abuse.
You realise that alcohol is a drug, right? That in small doses it is pleasant and even has some positive health benefits. Too much, too often and it is harmful. Dependency is harmful and addiction is harmful. It is responsible to teach people the facts and then to assist them in making informed decisions. You have chosen not to drink alcohol. That's your decision - but it's not the only 'correct' decision. Banning alcohol didn't work in the US. In fact, it caused more problems than it solved. Countries like Portugal have legalised and decriminalised a number of drugs and have seen a drop in usage as well as the associated problems of creating a black market for drugs (like crime).
Prohibition, scare tactics, misinformation and teaching people to 'just say no' have been shown again and again not to work. Accurate information, support for people who are struggling with substance abuse and a destigmatisation including decriminalisation have been shown to be far more effective.
Most people can handle caffeine. Most people can handle alcohol. Most people can handle a wide range of substances because their lives are generally good. The people who struggle with dependence and addiction do so not (entirely) because of the substance but because of the other factors in their lives.
I do not advocate taking drugs. I advocate making an informed choice based on accurate information. In all things. Like whether I drink tea or not, whether I drive in heavy traffic or not, whether a cider or two at the end of the week is acceptable or not.
I've seen people ruin their lives with alcohol. I've seen people ruin their lives with gambling. I've seen people ruin their lives chasing sex. Addiction and addictive behaviours are destructive. Alcohol isn't. Gambling isn't. Sex isn't.
Driving is "ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY" and has a higher death rate, per year, than all illegal drugs combined, so clearly teaching kids to "NOT DO IT" is entirely "REASONABLE" and "DOESN'T COST YOU ANYTHING". I mean, that's "RISK MITIGATION" and teaching anything else is "BULLSHIT" reasoning. Or, perhaps, you have made the assessment that given your knowledge of yourself, the benefits of driving outweigh the risks and that you can take steps to minimise or manage the risks that do exist and so driving is a reasonable choice for you to make. Not, perhaps, for someone who doesn't know how to drive (like me), but reasonable for you. Recreational drugs range from those that enhance certain faculties (like focus and attention), mitigate negatives (pain for the opiates, sleep for amphetamines) or provide profound new insights (like hallucinogens). Some are toxic in high doses. Some will rapidly reduce in effect if taken too frequently. Some will impair functions. Some will cause dependence if used to frequently. These are all risks that can be managed and minimised by people who are well informed and acting reasonably. Clearly you have chosen that the benefits do not outweigh the risks. That's perfectly reasonable. What is not reasonable is to insist that there are no benefits to anyone else and to claim that any risk is too much. _Everything_ has a risk of harm associated with it. Standing up (you might fall down), eating food (it might be tainted), breathing (you might catch something). You have an exaggerated estimation of both the risk and the harm of drug use because you fail to distinguish between 'sensible' us and abuse. My attempts to highlight this have been met with hostility and now swearing. We are no longer having a meaningful or useful conversation.