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Comment: Re:scabs suck. next you'll skip paying bribes. (Score 1) 507

by Zironic (#47218741) Attached to: Uber Demonstrations Snarl Traffic In London, Madrid, Berlin

Uber are allowed to run fixed price runs without a meter (For instance the Airport to City and vice versa is a common one) however Uber also runs normal per minute/km prices which require a meter.

In theory their GPS app could get recognised as a meter as long as Uber can prove it won't lie to the goverment.

Comment: Re:US (Score 1) 224

by Zironic (#47137339) Attached to: Thousands of Europeans Petition For Their 'Right To Be Forgotten'

It will work at achieving what it is trying to achieve. You appear to be under the impression it is intended to prevent people from finding the information if they are looking for it. It is not.

It is simply intended to prevent the information from following you around. To prevent people from finding it when they're not even looking for it.

Comment: Re:US (Score 1) 224

by Zironic (#47136933) Attached to: Thousands of Europeans Petition For Their 'Right To Be Forgotten'

I think that much of your confusion comes from this idea of responsibility. It's not that google did anything wrong by indexing the information in question, google is still free to index anything relevant just like newspapers are free to publish anything relevant.

When someone is sentenced by court, the newspaper is allowed to publish that information and google is allowed to index it, someone googling that information at that point in time is supposed to be able to find that information. Some years later when that sentencing is no longer relevant the newspaper is still out there and can be accessed in archives, however the information is no longer to be actively published. This is the point in time where people are now allowed to require google to stop indexing that content.

Comment: Re:US (Score 1) 224

by Zironic (#47136725) Attached to: Thousands of Europeans Petition For Their 'Right To Be Forgotten'

You're going towards this completely backwards. The European approach to this is not that it should be impossible for people to find out the past history of other people, it should simply require effort.

The intent of this law is simply to make sure that when someone googles your name, then your past criminal record is not the first result on your search history. If someone wants to find out your criminal record, they're still perfectly free to ask for it as it remains a public record.

Comment: Re:You can't have services without paying for them (Score 1) 389

by Zironic (#47037773) Attached to: Swedish Fare Dodgers Organize Against Transportation Authorities

Important addendum:
It is minor fraud as per Brottsbalk (1962:700) Chapter 9 paragraph 2 to use transportation with the expectation of cash payment without paying.

However SL can not make use for that law for a number of reasons including
A) They don't take cash anymore.
B) The burden of proof is very high as in order to apply they need to verify that someone hasn't paid for their ticket -after- they've already taken the ride -and- confirmed the person is not willing to pay the punitive fee. Essentially the person has to confess.

Comment: Re:You can't have services without paying for them (Score 1) 389

by Zironic (#47037675) Attached to: Swedish Fare Dodgers Organize Against Transportation Authorities

1) The subway police are stationed in the subway to handle the safety of the subway, they are not there to catch fare dodgers. They will however catch you if you jump right infront of them.

2) Riding with a false ticket is fraud, riding without a ticket is simply unauthorised access which is punishable by a fine (ordningsbot) not jail. This is regulated by Ordningslag (1993:1617) Chapter 4 paragraph 6.4 and 10.

Comment: Re:You can't have services without paying for them (Score 1) 389

by Zironic (#47033623) Attached to: Swedish Fare Dodgers Organize Against Transportation Authorities

Indeed the Riksdag could do it. It's just that convincing 175 people to change the law so that the police in a single city can crack down on mostly high school kids is not a very realistic proposition.

If you had a mind control device installed in the building you could do that and a host of other things (Changing the constitution would be a breeze!) but it's not something I see happening otherwise.

From a realistic perspective there's nothing SL or the City of Stockholm can do. SL can ask the Highway authority to raise the fines, but the Highway Authority will say no. They can ask the Riksdag to change the law, but the Riksdag will say no. They can ask the Police to deal with it, but the Police will say no. From the perspective of all these agencies and departments this is just a minor local issue and they have actual work to do.

Comment: Re:You can't have services without paying for them (Score 1) 389

by Zironic (#47033327) Attached to: Swedish Fare Dodgers Organize Against Transportation Authorities

A much shorter version of my post would be this.

You know how people talk about how the US constitution was written to escape Tyranny right? The Swedish state of government was written for the same purpose but with an entirely different approach. After experiencing what government where the executive had absolute power was like, we designed a system where noone has absolute power. Everything has to be executed through the system which requires committees to agree on almost anything and we are -extremely- careful about handing out any kind of government authority.

Comment: Re:You can't have services without paying for them (Score 2) 389

by Zironic (#47033199) Attached to: Swedish Fare Dodgers Organize Against Transportation Authorities

Sweden operates on a different legal system then the US and England does which often confuses Slashdot posters.

When a government entity wants to do something it has two options, either it makes a department for it such as the police or firemen. Alternatively it can create a corporation with a CEO where the board of directors are the elected politicians.

A corporation is legally no different from any other corporation, the only difference is that the owner is the county or the state. A number of major Swedish corporations such as Vattenfall are owned by the state.

Furthermore a Swedish county (Komun) is an administrative body, not a legislative one. While they can create ordnances they have no legislative power to grant anyone police powers, that is something that has to be done by the parliament.

While we a few years ago introduced the system where public events have to pay for the police protection, that is not a system where the public event gets to hire the police, that is a system where the police arbitrarily decides how much protection the event needs and then sends them the bill. Their options are to not hold the event or pay the bill, they do not get to choose their level of protection.

The Swedish police does not ever guard common stores unless they are actively investigating crime (For instance lately they've been standing around goldsmiths as gold robberies have been on the rise for years), if a store wants active protection it has to pay guards which do not have much more legal authority then a common citizen (Largely they're legally allowed to physically evict you).

People commissioned by the Swedish government can't be fired (To protect them from political pressure) however they can be replaced. That is they get to continue with their current salary for the duration of their term while someone else gets to do their job. The cabinet only appoints the top level directors who are then supposed to be able to handle everything else. I'm not sure about the exact hierarchy of the police but I believe there's at-least 4-5 levels between the cabinet and Stockholm City Police not counting the various oversight boards.

The cabinet also has a very limited ability to control the priorities of their departments, this is the relevant bit of law
"No public authority, including the Riksdag and the decision-making bodies of local authorities, may determine how an administrative authority shall decide in a particular case relating to the exercise of public authority vis-Ã-vis a private subject or a local authority, or relating to the application of law."

Essentially while the Cabinet controls the budget of the department, makes the commisions as well as perform various executive decisions. They can't legally tell the department how to apply the law.

For example when it comes to Filesharing it is illegal but it's on near zero priority for the police because it's a non-jailable offence (Like not paying the ticket in the metro). If the justice minister told the police to prioritise that she would go to jail for constitutional crimes, her only option is to either get the Riksdag to change the law so it's a jailable offense or require the police to focus on non-jailable offences in general.

Comment: Re:You can't have services without paying for them (Score 3, Insightful) 389

by Zironic (#47032507) Attached to: Swedish Fare Dodgers Organize Against Transportation Authorities

It's hard to describe with words how deeply the core principles of the Swedish state would be violated by your proposal. You are essentially proposing breaking down the entire system of government.

SL (The owner of the metro) is a private corporation that is owned by the local county. Having a private company employ police in the capacity of policemen is unthinkable, it can simply not happen, ever. It violates every principle about division of power and oversight of power.

Yes, the Chief of Police has the authority to send all his police down in the metro to catch people dodging fares if he wanted to. But what sort of perverse mind control would you use on him to make him do such a thing and how many seconds do you think he would remain chief of police if he did so? Catching people dodging fares is not part of his mandate and by ordering the policemen to do so, he'd make them unable to actually prevent crime. That sort of thing would force the oversight board to remove him on the spot.

Comment: Re:Public transit (Score 1) 389

by Zironic (#47032427) Attached to: Swedish Fare Dodgers Organize Against Transportation Authorities

The way it works in Sweden is that when you receive an invoice (Such as the punitive fee from not having a ticket) you have 30 days to pay before it is considered a debt. At that point you still have some amount of time, iirc over a month before the debt becomes an unpaid debt that is recorded by the state to be collected.

The records of all these things are regulated by law and as generally applies to all databases that contain identifiable information the database is only allowed to be used for the its intended purpose, for instance using your debt database to send advertisements would be illegal.

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