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I RTFA and read the links. They're shocking and I don't use that word casually. I am posting the direct links here with the excerpts from the license agreement.
No human being who had these explained to them in an ordinary setting by someone they knew and trusted would knowingly agree to them.
Sign into Windows with your Microsoft account and the operating system immediately syncs settings and data to the companyâ(TM)s servers. That includes your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi network names and passwords.
To enable Cortana to provide personalized experiences and relevant suggestions, Microsoft collects and uses various types of data, such as your device location, data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from your emails and text messages, who you call, your contacts and how often you interact with them on your device.
Microsoft can disclose your data when it feels like it
We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.
Cortana also learns about you by collecting data about how you use your device and other Microsoft services, such as your music, alarm settings, whether the lock screen is on, what you view and purchase, your browse and Bing search history, and more.â
The author goes on to note:
Lots of things can live in those two words âoeand more.â Also note that because Cortana analyzes speech data, Microsoft collects âoeyour voice input, as well as your name and nickname, your recent calendar events and the names of people in your appointments, and information about your contacts including names and nicknames.â
The updated terms also state that Microsoft will collect information âoefrom you and your devices, including for example âapp use data for apps that run on Windowsâ(TM) and âdata about the networks you connect to.'â
Windows 10 generates a unique advertising ID for each user on each device. That can be used by developers and ad networks to profile you.
They intend to completely remove the notion of privacy from the tools we use to create share and store the most private thoughts we have.
This is Linux's Big Chance. People will reject this massive barefisted amoral invasion of privacy and flee- if they can get a decent computing experience out of some UNIX clone.
Not to turon this into a "What['s wrong with Linux" discussion but I have sincerely tried to move to Linux repeatedly and just found the experience awful. I am nto interested in learning a CLI to get normal stuff done-at all. The performance compared to Windows has always been terrible, my software is slow, the drivers are missing etc etc.
Perosnally I feel like Ubuntu is somehow in the thrall of a culutre of devs who are not interested in accomodating the masses and take it as a point of pride that finding getting installing and using applications still requires exiting to a CLI, which knowledge they love. Yes, many of them do want to share the love with you, but many people wanted me to share their love the Grateful Dead's music with me too and the thing is, I just don't like it.
Regarding suing your employer, the fact is HR departments keep lists of do not hire people who either threatened to or did sue their employers. If you look at what Google and Apple and Adobe were doing with their blacklist of employees who tried to switch companies for a better position , then you can get a flavor for what really goes on in the market. It's far from free or fair.
And BTW if you dig deep enough (start at Gawker's coverage) you'll see this do ot hire list for techs extended far far beyond Silicon valley and included companies like H&M and companies like Target and others whose names I forget.. literlaly, there were dozens adn dozens all sharing the same do not hire list.
Why, yes, it is all illegal. And. And so what? What happened to the individuals who knowingly and flagrantly broke these laws? Ab-so-lute-ly nothing. Their careers were not impeded ithe least. The specific HR rep who was nakedly implementing this, the henchman, is now happily employed by the internet's hero Elon Musk at Tesla as.. wait for it, head of HR.
So no, you have no friends or constituency or representationin government . The law breakers break the law with personal immunity from the rule of law. At worst their corporations have to pay some in -the-larger-scheme-of-thing piddling fine.
Yeah go ahead sue your employer. And hope you win enough money so yu never have to work again because, buddy, you're not going to be working again.
It's just another aspect of the plutocracy that America is.
Right now, he's running away from the consequences of his actions."
Unlike James Clapper who enjoys no consequences for his actions- lying under oath to Congress.
Two legs good, four legs bad.
Obama's administration is going to go down in history as the one that best highlights how politically well connected players are "too big to jail" even as law enforcement became more ferocious towards the common and petty criminals.
The entire NSA engaged in unconstitutional spying on Americans on a scale that made the event which inspired the Church Commission look pale in comparison. That is not my opinion, that is a fact established by the courts. They knowingly and deliberately destroyed evidence of torture in order to evade criminal prosecution. No banking executives were prosecuted for a criminal scam which literally brought the economy down. No banking executives were prosecuted for the near daily now criminal operations from Sinaola Mexico cartel (the video-beheading gang) drug money launderig to LIBOR rating rigging to the criminal MITM attack on the stockmarket which was the subject of the book Flashboys.
Yeah I have mixed emotions about Snowden. But I dont' have mixed emotions about any of the trillion dollar criminals who destroyed millions and millioins of people's life savings and millions and millions of people's lives.
So your snarky shit about facingthe consequences of your actions rigs hollow to these ears. How's Eric Holder doing these days working for the entities he declained to prosecute? You nkow, the same ones he worked for before he was AG?
Oh, we paid all that money back, they say. Yeah? Did you go back and retoractively undestroy all the lives which were destroyed because of your actions also? Did you reset the course of all those personal histories back to what they were before they lost their jobs their homes their savings their time ?
How is THAT REAL cost not calculated in what you did. You paid the government back the bailout money. Fuck you and the horse named the Obama Administration you rode in on.
This from someone who cried tears of joy when this President did his inaugural walk.
There are abuot 87k flights both commercial and private over us skies every day. Since Amazon wouldn't the only drone using company (fed ex , UPS and all other companies) that number could easily go to a million or even ten million. Even if you get five 9s in terms of no-accidents (likely not possible ) that's still 10-100 drones going down a day or 3650-36,500 down a year. All those drones trajectories once they're out of control operate under Newtons Laws . Even if they automatically deploy parachutes (and those work), they're still 40 -100 lbs of "stuff" falling out of the sky onto something somewhere, directed only by wind currents and luck. And that's a best case scenario.
This is what my crude back of the napkin yet fact-based maths tell me. I would love to hear well reasoned, fact- based counter arguments
I find the three 5 star posts in this thread (so far) sad.
The points come across as sanctimonious and the tone is scolding. Scolding to the kids for doing something the authors deem stupid; sanctimonious towards parents who apparently don't care about these stupid kids, or they would have raised them differently and therefore produced different outcomes.
I know the tech sections of the internet skew heavily towards very young, white males, and this may account for the high rating of these posts, but they all show a lack of insight into how humans life is actually lived and what the source of human development actually entails.
The implied requirement of these posts only has to be articulated to be dismissed- that you never do anything stupid, impulsive or otherwise compromising over the entire course of your life in the presence of other human beings (who we can now assume have cameras on thier phones and phones on their person). If you did, tough luck, you were probably old enough to know to not have done that (based on some nebulous theory harbored by the authors), yet you did it anyways.
It would be hard to formulate a more stifling atmosphere than the "wrong once, wrong forever" ethos which permeates these posts. Learning happens through exploring and testing limits imposed by society which come into conflict with the personal perceptions of the individual. That also happens to be how society progresses and the same kind of people who do one are likely later in their lives to be leading the other.
We need the trangressors, the limit testers, the irrational impulse followers, the people who value and trust their own (often mistaken) perceptions above the externally imposed voice of their parents and society because that is just the population which later invents, leads society forward, *thinks different*.
The punishment which society now can and according to these post's authors, should, impose for what were previously private acts of boundary testing by society's youngest members is insane. We're talking about people whose brains can be shown to be anatomically uniquely susceptible to impulsive decisions, which cannot work out the real consequences of their actions, cannot yet accurately model the minds of others or consider long term implications of their decisions.
Not coincidentally I see all of these limitations in these posts themselves .
The fantastical implied requirement embedded in these posts is that people stop going through a developmental stage of life and just get on to adulthood. This is actually how the world thought of children prior to the late 19th and 20th centuries; children were adults in miniature. I would refer you to the history of the 19th and 20th centuries to see the resultant handiwork of people who were actually raised under the influence of that factually incorrect theory.
They say we're are ony one generation away from barbarism, from regressing to previous states of societal ignorance and barbarity, one generation away from the triumph of folk theries of the world and human behavior over science. People aren't mentally ill, they're willfully cretinous. People lives aren't ruined and they aren't driven into destitution through labor-law-free working environments, they simply lack industry. Young people aren't qualitatively different in their reasoning and cognition from adults, they just know fewer facts.
If it were up to me, every high schooler would have to have three semesters of developmental psychology in order to graduate. The first concern society has with education has to be to ensure the non-regression of its members.
To address just one poster's point directly, yes, people know not to drop their pants at high school graduation ceremony. But you can't use your intuition and "common sense" to then relatively score any potential human behaviour in any potential social situation as either more or less developmentally advanced than that pants dropping one. You can't blithely assign a developmental score and a concomitant culpability score.
It's scary to read the pitiless posts on this thread. I hope that the authors themselves later develop the knowledge of not just their own strong opinions and intution but the outside world and the facts that govern that world and the people in it to reflect on their posts as a kind of youthful foolishness, preserved forever on the internet.
Only 15 year olds who live at home think that people can "sue their employer" and continue to get jobs going into the future.
Even more so for something like "someone at work saw a picture of me, and they therefore took negative action, but the picture wasn't what it looked like, your Honor! ".
Your stupid post against permitting 15 year olds protection against their embarrassing youthful mistakes
might expose you as a person with poor judgement for the rest of your lifem, except I see you're using a pseuonym in this thread and for this particular post you went AC.
So you DO see the social utiility in not being exposed to enduring critical evaluation because of something stupid you said once somewhere at soem point during your life.
So you're a hypocrit as well as.
Nicely played, Sir!
Heer's a newsflash- Google is just anothedr Big Company Doing Evil.
From the forced serfdom which resulted when they knowingly, illegally and maliciously conspired to refuse to hire other SV companies programmers (so those programmers , if they quit, couldn't get another job OR couldnt' look for another job while working at any of those companies ! ) to the driveby stealing of WIFI passwords via StreetView to the CLEAR cooperation of Google with the NSA Prism program.. on and on and on and on... here's a newflash for anyone whose been under a rock these past years- Google Is Evil.
Of course they're sexist as hell in their hiring practices. That's just a small part of being evil. Of course they pay men and women doing exactly the same job different salaries, that's just another small part of being evil. Read their horrified reaction to the fact of employees sharing salary data- why do you think they're horrified? Because those salaries don't revweal a distinct sex bias?
Google is a dirty dirty dirty dirty dirty dirty company. It just is. It does whatever it needs to to make money, lies about anything it needs to, have zero respect for anything which might interfere in it's making money (but goes the extra yardage and when caught frames their actions as a natural expression of their philosophical view of the owrld (Eric Schmidt- Anyone doing something online that they don't want others to know about maybe ought not to be doing that in the first place...".)
I mean is there anyone out there who is surprised at this?
I wonder if they'll be able to sense the level of contempt I have for them.
Remember, these aren't "apps" as in applications you use to achieve some life goal. Like the click through TOSes that you agree to, these will be one-sided, spying malware which you can't say "no" to because on the other side will be resources society now expects you to know about or use, FB being the classic example of such malware.
What tech companies have discovered is that the 20% of thoughtful, skeptical people in the population can be forced into submission by creating a world whose parameters and nature is defined by whatever the oblivious 80% will swallow, which is pretty much anything.
You couldnt' be more wrong about my identity or educational background or likely occupation --- BIG HINT
I'll just assume you really don't understand the point, so I'll make it another way.
Science does indeed only truth about a universe we cannot directly see or otherwise know about. But the scientific method is a way of thinking or more specifically - reasoning.
For instance, at it's core , a thing cannot be both A and not A at the same time.
If we permit that as an axiom then all our math becomes nonsense and all the results of our reasoning become arbitrary (this is not an idea I am having, it's a formally proven mathematical and logical fact. Of course, it also jibes with intuition).
Since science gives us all our knowledge about the world and ONLY gives us truth, then that's that.
But what I just described may be nothing more than a good description of what it's like to be a goldfish.
It all makes goldfish sense to a goldfish. Using a goldfish's abilities, the goldfish can prove (to the goldfish's own satisfaction ) that permitting a thing to be both A and not A at the same time leads to across the chaos and nonsense.
But *reality could still be* something that is simply non-representable in every sense of the word to the goldfish brain.
It will ALWAYS strike the goldfish as just completely insane to allow that a thing can be both A and not A at the same time, literally, a thing can be both true and untrue- in the usual sense and stricted sense of those words . And the goldfish will immediately "prove" to anyone that the contradictions which would therefore abound as soon as this is permitted (as an axiom) lead directly to contradictions in the known physical universe.
The point may be too meta for some people to grasp. Yes, there is only science and the scientific method as avenues to knowledge - avenues to discover the facts about the world.
At the same time, we are 100% dependent on our ourselves and our thining and reasoning to know what we know and that will never change.
Yet there may be something, or even most things, that are outside of our ability to grasp by what we call thought (of any form, reasoning, observation, deduction , visions whatever) that not only are we not aware of, but worse, the nature of which we could never hold in our minds at all not one little bit. We're just goldfish, ever expanding the surface area of our godlfish knowledge .
But because of our inherent limitations we cannot ever know about nuclear bombs and the politics that leads to their use.
Even as those bombs fry our flesh and turn our world into vapor.
There is nothing anti-science contained in this view whatsoever. It is a description of a possible world.
>>So the moral of the story?
>>the mods caught on and shut down his sockpuppet army and took away his rights to mod.
Isn't that the moral of the story? Fraud detected,action taken, troll defeated, more datapoints and patterns discovered to help detect future possible fraud.
Sure, he got one in on you, but getting off a sucker punch is not winning a battle.
Thanks for the feedback about what attackers are liable to try, of course soliciting that knowledge from the crowd was the purpose of my original post. I feel like I advanced my knwledge and I hope some other interested readers feel the same.
A lot of thoughtful comments inthese replies.
I don't see that anyone could brigade away anyone else since it's up to the end user who to remove from view. I am not suggesting people marked trolls be auto-disappeared without the end user deciding to take that action. Remember, the same thing happens here- people get modded down and who has
I agree that auto creation of sock puppet accounts is troublesome. I read recently where this many tens of millions of accounts on FB are simply fake.
Nevertheless it seems to me that we should be able to auto-recognize fake accounts. Brigading comments (using secondary accounts for sniping and down voting) should therefore be an identifiable event, to some probability.
I can't believe we can't use the sysadmin's god's eye view of all comments to win this war- it's clearly an asymmetric advantage.
OK just talking about brigading, take two use cases one using sock pupet accounts , the other just ganging up.
In the first case, instead providing a view that just says 50% of users think this comment is a troll (in pie graph form say) provide a view that gives that information AND ALSO a "factor in sock puppetry" overlay, which changes the pie graph to show non-sockpuppet percentages.
Point is, you can't run forever. We can make realistic sock puppetry require a deep time investment. We can make recognition of sock puppets an easy thing and then your investment is gone in a flash. We dont' have to ban sock puppets, we just have to recognize them witha high degree of probability and include that as a datapoint available to users.
Inthe second case where real humans are ganging up, we can detect coordination. People who act together *in certain ways* (to be defined, but don't tell me I can't do it) are highly likely to be coordinating. People who act together because of their shared world view but are not coordinating might look like they ARE coordination, but there are differences between those two cases involving timing and past behaviour etc. etc.
It's not that problems can be felled with a single blow, it's that you can make it time-expensive to successfully engage in the kind of system rigging. You can even bring in outside facts about the world generally to act as a reality check to distinguish genuiine behaviour from non.
It's just a variant of fraud detection, right, but without ever actually having to confront the fraudster (since you may be wrong and don't want to alienate honest users). You don't finger anyone, you let your users do that and then your other users decide and or learn to trust or not those user's judgments.
I guess I feel like this is something people just don't want to invest in for some unknown (to me) reason . It appears that people do a little of this and that the hope for the best. That's the level of technology and sophistication we're bringing to it and I don't know why.
Trolls and maurading bands of assholes are an issue but with enough data points- and sysadmins have datapoints - you can just run trolls and other bad behavior to exhaustion, make it too expensive in terms of time and too low in terms fo rewards. That's how the peace is kept in this world generally.
I don't understand why the following doesn't solve all discussion board problems with trolls. OK here goes:
1) the ability to declare someone either interesting or a troll (or neither) and have such cumulative count public.
2) have the option to hide from your view all posts by poster X
3) have the option to hide all poster's posts hidden by one or more posters you think are interesting
4) have a reputation report available on each poster, including yourself, on how many or what % of posters are hiding that posters posts and how many of those posters you marked interesting.
1) you can learn from long timers who the trolls are and inherit their preferences.
2) you can block someone without declaring him to be a troll
3) you can see how people see you. Trolls whose posts aren't seen go away.
Slashdot has something like this in prototype. But it seems simple to me. Implement that and you're basically done.
Seriously, what am I missing?
Really? You heard me say something anti-materialistic? You did? I wonder where I said that. What I said was our brains - inclusive of our reasoning capacity- may not be capable of processing all of reality. Certainly we have examples of such a situation IN ALL OTHER SPECIES. But you think we're exempt.. because... because we're special!
The reflexive attack on this very very simple observation on my part as "spiritual" is a perfect example of scientism. The personal, mindless and fact-free assault on anyone who offers a counterpoint to scientism that the "true beleivers" can't counter.
Your point about the fish "evloving past us" is a literal non-sequitor about which nothing more need be said.
Really, if you want to be sen as intelligent, offering up obvious non-sequitors is just going in the wrong direction
That's the constructive part of my reply. Now comes the fun part.
Your "hogwash" ejaculation marks you as a white male of a *certain* age who heard certain phrases uttered by the pompous authority figures of his day, not that there's anything wrong with that, "by jove"!
Yep the biggest check on that kind of thinking is all the people around them who dont ahre that view,. Of course, they could counter THAT with extreme compartmentalization and "need to know" games. But you have to have faith that the democratic impulse is strong enough in enough people throughout all those TLAs that we will act as a check on anyone afflicted with Lt. Calley type thinking.
I am not privy to such things, but I am not aware of any acknowledgment that a disotrtion in thinking of this specific kind is a threat. I know they worry about group think, but not this specfically.
You always have the Alberto Gonzales and Donald Rumsfelds ready to torture and toss the Constitution and the essence of the constitution aside. If the threat is big enough, then more eople join them and, there's no stopping it. The key to democratic civilization is to NOT LET PROBLEMS GET TOO BIG in the first place. That is everything to a democracy.
Democracy is steering system, not a braking system. If you really have to emergency brake, you're about to go off that cliff, things get very ugly very fast.
It's a good exercise for hum drum citizens like myself to know and enumerate all the plausible ways things could possibly go totally south very quickly. These are the real threts to democracy. Towards that specific end I am reading "Future Crimes" - very highly recommended. All the ways we're vulnerable gnow and in the near future given the progress of all technology in all areas. Shocking and truly frightening stuff even for a well read