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Comment: Re:Are you sure? (Score 1) 824

When you redefine "binary format" to mean "anything represented via 0s and 1s," sure. In the context of this argument, it means "a computer file that is not a text file; it may contain any type of data, encoded in binary form for computer storage and processing purposes."

Comment: Re:Are you sure? (Score 1) 824

Systemd is not a product of RedHat employees, Red Hat Linux is.

Go read the systemd Wikipedia page. The top 3 developers they list are all Red Hat employees (the rest don't have Wikipedia articles and I don't really want to go digging).

And RedHat employees feel the need to develop systemd for the success of Red Hat Linux.

Not necessarily. If they're paid by Red Hat and Red Hat tells them to write systemd...connect the dots. Maybe they (well, Lennart sure seems to, anyway) believe what they're doing is the right approach, or maybe they're just collecting a paycheck.

"Accurate communication is possible only in a non-punishing situation."

And Debian feels the need to replace sysvinit with a modern init system. It was either systemd or upstart, and upstart was not ready.

There are plenty of people on Slashdot who will tell you that neither does sysvinit need to be replaced, nor is systemd ready to do so. But we're not Debian, so yeah.

Comment: Re:Are you sure? (Score 1) 824

My point was that systemd was tested for 3 years over 5 releases of Fedora.

Parts of it, anyway. Aren't they still designing replacements out of whole cloth these days?

And why do you have a bias against Red Hat developers?

It's not a bias so much as acknowledging that they, as RedHat employees, have a vested interest in the success of systemd, their product.

Comment: Re:Are you sure? (Score 1) 824

Then why you not trust the Debian developers to make a very informed decision about adopting systemd?

When half the guys on the board are Red Hat employees and the vote just by sheer coincidence is a 50-50 split, I'm not filled with trust.

Fedora is using systemd since Fedora 15 (now we are at Fedora 20). That means 5 released of testing (three years) and adopted by Red Hat Enterprise Linux since version 7

Well no shit. Systemd is a Red Hat project, so of course it's in Fedora.

Comment: Re:Are you sure? (Score 1) 824

I think your argument boils down to "I don't like systemd because it's new and I don't like new stuff".

So put it on your own damn branch!

Especially considering this is Debian we're talking about, I don't understand why so many pro-systemd people are saying "if you don't like it, then fork off a non-systemd version." It's DEBIAN. Debian is all about NOT having the new unstable shiny!

Comment: Re:Are you sure? (Score 1) 824

Assuming I'm reading this right:

D U O V F - Bdale Garbee
D U O V F - Russ Allbery
D U O V F - Don Armstrong
D U O V F - Keith Packard (Intel)
U D O F V - Colin Watson
U F D O V - Andreas Barth
F U D O V - Steve Langasek (Canonical)
F V O U D - Ian Jackson

D systemd
U upstart
O openrc
V sysvinit (no change)
F requires further discussion

So assuming left-to-right priority, 2 votes were for "further discussion." So it was more or less a 4-2 vote with 2 abstentions. Langasek's second choice was upstart, and Jackson's second choice was sysvinit. If they both went to the upstart side--which sounds like a quite reasonable outcome to me--we'd be looking at a 4-4 tie. If a tie-breaker is necessary to break deadlock, there is NO WAY you can call it "overwhelming."

Like I said before, 50%+1 (which this vote wasn't, even) is not my definition of "overwhelming." I dare say that most people would call that a majority (more votes than all other choices combined). This is merely a plurality, among a particularly small sample size at that.

Ich kann mit Übersetzungsschwierigkeiten sympathisieren.

Comment: Re:This was no AP. (Score 1) 330

by TangoMargarine (#48256471) Attached to: LAX To London Flight Delayed Over "Al-Quida" Wi-Fi Name

Salameh had reported the van stolen, and when he returned on March 4, 1993, to get his deposit back, authorities arrested him.[23]

Even if it *was* stolen, why the heck would they give him his deposit back? "Oh, I'm sorry, I lost your vehicle somewhere...can I have my deposit back that I gave you to cover this exact eventuality?" Maybe if the cops recovered it somewhere, fine, but that obviously wasn't going to be the case.

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