What's with your obsession with these people I've never heard of? You think I'm defending them? Isn't that a little paranoid of you? Maybe you should go take some sort of pharmaceutical medication for that, lol. And as far as actual research, what did I say in my first sentence? Oh right, clinical studies. But you just want a place to rant about things and not actually have a discussion about anything, isn't that right? I don't give two shits about kevin whatever, I just want to underscore the point that certain herbs used in certain ways can be plenty powerful on the body, and the way you were talking was as if the only thing that will help sick people is the shit that big pharma is peddling.