Comment: Re:You're trolling, right? One more time: (Score 1) 307
The tech to do this is NOT HERE TODAY, so you CAN'T ESTIMATE THE WEIGHT using today's tech.
[...] Therefore, your numbers -- in fact, any attempt you make to to specifically quantify the issue in any way -- are complete nonsense. Got that?
[...] WHEN (not if) ultracaps exceed battery capacity vs cost, THEN they will be the energy storage mechanism of choice. I further assert that this is almost a certainty, based on the fact that production ultracaps are improving in both cost and capacity quite rapidly, though they are STILL behind batteries at this time, and batteries are moving targets in terms of capacity as well.
What the heck? Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the UC concept. But you offered no evidence that UC capacity will ever be cheaper or smaller than batteries, but somehow we must accept that UCs are the future. If someone suggests otherwise they are a "troll", and we aren't allowed "specifically quantify the issue in any way"? I don't accept your terms.
First of all, what's the time frame on these cheaper-than-battery UCs? If they are more than a few years out, it's unreasonable talk about them as though they solve any current problems. Running low on electric capacity is a problem NOW so why should we focus on a hypothetical future of cheap ultracaps?
Secondly, even assuming they are someday cheaper than batteries, that doesn't mean they are cheaper than gas storage (since gas storage is inefficient, it was only proposed because it's cheaper). According to here, the cheapest kind of battery storage is Lead-acid at $170 per KWh. Assuming tp1024 is right that 100TWh is needed for 2 months of energy storage for Germany (= 69 GW, which admittedly feels like an overly high estimate to me), the needed batteries would cost $170 billion dollars, or about $2000 from every man, woman and child (in Germany). Even if UCs become half the price of the world's cheapest battery, $1000 per capita still seems like a huge extra cost (on top of the wind/solar plants themselves) that would be spent just to reduce storage losses and/or to avoid building nuclear plants (which wouldn't need any significant energy storage in the first place).
Plus, what reason is there to think UCs' energy density will get anywhere near that of compressed hydrogen?