Read my post again. Do you find the word "torture" in there, anywhere? It is not about a term, it about the values and strengths this country was built upon.
You were trying to argue about grey areas, and the GP was making out of context comparisons about human duress in civilian situations - I argue that both of you are missing the point. It is not about gut wrenching physical torture, it is about the fact that when you imprison your enemies, they must fall for your values, not your barbarism.
Our military should not be the said bar underneath the old apartment. We are not embodied by federal prison arrangements, even though they are pretty sad. We are the beacon of the free fucking world. Do you understand? We do not abide by history, we make history. We are the nation that is supposed to communicate to the rest of humanity the values of freedom, and liberty, and justice; and the world sees it in the way we treat our most loathsome enemies, not in the impeccable look of fresh paint in the oval office.
Now let's move on to nicer topics, OK? Nobody is going to look at this, anyway.