"There's no financial losses to Samsung from Apple using this patent, other than the licencing fees, since it's in the pool."
"They're asking too much money for this" on one side and "They don't want to pay, we believe x is a fair price" on the other."
unfortunately the only things that really count here is that the licencing is Fair.. Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory.. hence unless Apple can prove that Samsungs rates to them are discriminatory, then they need to just shut up and pay the licensing fee
I was just saying that banning the old products does nothing, and the court should be forcing apple to pay the cost of licencing per product (as you state either as agreed by the court, which in my opinion is ridiculous as the court doesn't know the value of technology, or they pay the rates which samsung requested, which is the same fee that everyone else using that essential patent pays.) plus a slight penalty as they quite blatantly decided not to pay the licencing for the FRAND patent.
Quite frankly without some kind of extra penalty why not employ this as a standard mode of operation. Use all frand patents without licence and then only pay the licence after being forced to by a court with no extra penalty.. thats not in the spirit of patent law.