Why are you being an asshole to me? Have I offended you personally by having an opinion?
Uranium is a heavy metal. Don't ingest those.
Friend, you say that as if these people have a choice. They don't. It burns at 3000-6000 degrees and oxidizes into an insoluble ceramic aerosol. As an aerosol it is in their air and it is in their drinking water. How do you suggest they avoid ingesting them?
Also a heavy metal. Nothing to do with radioactivity,
Yes, others have pointed that out. However you also said the scare-mongering over depleted uranium being somehow seen as more toxic than lead when its toxicity is still being evaluated in veterans and proving to be quite a serious issue for those exposed to it. So whilst your claim of no one cares about the uranium in granite countertops might be true I'm sure people would feel differently about it being in their air and water supply. Wouldn't you?
I'm sure this is one of the reasons the UN does not sanction their use.
because U238 isn't meaningfully radioactive.
Well I checked this and the science I read doesn't say anything about 'meaningfully radioactive', it says that the effects of U238 radioactivity as an emitter in the body are unclear and there hasn't been a large enough sample size of human beings exposed to U238 to understand the effects it has, on humans.
And to what isn't U238 'meaningfully' radioactive to? How do you know? Did you check the evidence? Because I did.
In the independent research with the most citations it seems that one of the cruelest deception played on the veterans is that uncovering *which* of the symptoms are caused by DU because they were also exposed to other heavy metals in pesticides and herbicides; in vaccines, including anthrax and botulinum toxin; in nerve agents: sari n, cyc losari n, tab un, som an, VX, multip le se ven, and no vac huks (nov ich oks); and in chemicals released from the Kamasiyah toxic chemical depot, which was destroyed by bombing and also subjected to petroleum products from the oil well fires.
So what has this got to do with u283 radiation? It turns out that because veterans were exposed to so many sources of heavy metal toxins it is preventing legal recognition of the harm caused by radiation, not that it isn't 'meaningfully radioactive'. A particularly salient and sobering paragraph from that paper:
Influential papers by physicists and several semi-official governmental organizations have attempted to eliminate DU from consideration by just such analyses (4â"8). These studies are not really independent, since each follows the guidelines, methodology, and risk estimates recommended by the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) (9).
As usual, I'll do the thinking here and join the dots to make it easier to understand the ramifications. As a final act of contemptuous betrayal of the soldiers what the ICRP was attempting to do was set up a research framework that led to the conclusion that the veterans suffering was all in their head. This is news to me too, even I didn't think the Nuclear Industry was that fucking despicable.
That is where your 'claim' that du is not 'meaningfully radioactive' comes from, so perhaps you should check the papers you read for ICRP influence.
How incredibly fortunate for us then, to have such a large sample size to study over the coming years in the populations of Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan and establish what the true radiological effect of depleted uranium is on a population.
No, I'm not going to teach you basic science. This is /., you're expect to do that work yourself.
That sounds like usual cop out for those suffering the effects of of social proof not being able to challenge their belief system with any evidence. I present the science, you say its is bogus, you refuse to present any of your own and then, you insult me for doing so. Same old story.
However the science isn't the only thing you have to study. The legislation, Insurance arrangements, funding bills, mining, operating procedures of the plants, the way regulatory boards interact, reactor decommissioning, spent fuel containment, net energy return, this list goes on. Over the years I have amassed a significant library of information from doing exactly that work, it is quite a fascinatingly complex industry.
Fortunately for you, you only have to look at my previous post that references the US Library of Medicine information on how DU deposits in the body. If you understand the 'basic science' of how radioisotopes analogue nutrients in the metabolism then it will make sense.
If you don't you may wish to consult the work on how the weak beta emitter tritium effects transgenic disease in the human genome precisely *because* it is a weak emitter and the radiation is absorbed in the body from the tritium that tends to accumulate in stomach fat near the reproductive organs.
It was a common myth that the weak beta emission from tritium was also harmless. As it turns out it is harmful - to the next generation of those exposed, i.e. their children.
So the jury is still out on the effects of radioactive uranium compounds like U-238 an alpha emitter with rare spontaneous fission that undergoes 12.4 atomic transformations (submicroscopic explosions) every second, each giving off one alpha particle with energy between 4.15 and 4.2 MeV (million electron volts) in random directions, that when it decays by spontaneous fission releases approximately 40 times more energy than in nuclear decay, will do to DNA that only requires 10 electron volts to break, but I doubt the news is good.
It is certainly not something I'd like hanging around in my testes. Would you?
You're scare-mongering about an imaginary boogieman and need to be shunned from polite conversation,
You haven't provided a good example of polite conversation only moral superiority and dogmatic skepticism.
Maybe I'm wrong about veteran suffering toxicity over radiation poisoning however I doubt it. I just think it hasn't been identified yet. You think it is less toxic than lead and there are no effects from the radiation. I think that there is an effect from the toxicity and a subsequent transgenic affect caused by the radiations of U238 being absorbed in the human body that affects the offspring of those exposed.
Considering the models are only for death from cancer under ideal circumstances and not reproductive damage then it would seem it might be a worthwhile place for investigation.
Frankly, I can't see how anyone can support these weapons considering the suffering they impose. You have to be specially qualified to handle it and isolate it from the environment in the US so why is it ok to spread it elsewhere?
just like the anti-Vaxxers, the anti-GMO crowd, the "no irradiated food" crowd and the rest of them.
Just the same way I might put you in with evengelical christian or extremist muslims who will scream and abuse you for questioning their god. I'm open to having my position challenged when presented with the right information but that is not what you have been able to achieve here.
I do feel a bit foolish for upmodding you in the past though, for subjects we agree on and hope you are able to return to form soon. I find the cuntishness disappointing, a little tedious and juvenile.
If you have some useful information to share we may be able to have a more civilized conversation.