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Comment: Re:its a tough subject (Score 1) 638

by MightyYar (#48898305) Attached to: Should Disney Require Its Employees To Be Vaccinated?

The problem is that most of those "severe vaccine reactions" are hard to prove. They are so infrequent that they could statistically have happened by chance after a person was vaccinated. Are you aware of one where my statement isn't true? I don't want to be coming from a position of ignorance.

Comment: Re:its a tough subject (Score 1) 638

by MightyYar (#48896767) Attached to: Should Disney Require Its Employees To Be Vaccinated?

That situation CAN come up even if your vaccinations are in order.

Right, but it is extremely unlikely to come up if everyone is vaccinated - thus my claim that a societal solution is needed.

I'm not so sure about making the vaccination absolutely mandatory

I don't think it should be mandatory, either. But I think that employers should be able to discriminate based on vaccination status. I think that, when there is an outbreak of the disease, non-vaccinated children should not be allowed in school.

And make sure that the very rare but existent harmful reaction is very well compensated. After all, it happened in service to society.

Perhaps. Or perhaps it should just be recognized that, on balance, public health efforts such as the measles vaccination program are a big part of why your life expectancy is 80 and not 45.

Comment: Re:its a tough subject (Score 1) 638

by MightyYar (#48892437) Attached to: Should Disney Require Its Employees To Be Vaccinated?

The line is difficult to draw. We could consider the seriousness of the harm that might be expected. We know someone with the flu may miss work and be financially damaged. We know some people who get the flu die of it (mostly the infirm). We know measles is more likely to be fatal but we also know most people are vaccinated against it. We know further that whatever we might be sick with, measles is unlikely, vaccinated or not (though that may change).

There is one more element to consider: measles is easily wiped out with a universal vaccine program. I have never heard anyone seriously claim that the flu could be wiped out with existing technology. In my opinion, there is a moral distinction between someone who, by their inaction, thwarts the eradication of a disease and someone who simply makes the pragmatic choice of going to work with a flu/cold because of societal pressures.

But in any event, epidemic disease cannot be fought within the framework of individuals. It has to be a collective effort, so libertarian arguments are mostly academic. By the time Disney responded to negative publicity and whatnot, the disease had already spread. The Libertarian argument that the financial incentive not to kill customers will save the day is not very convincing - Disneyland could close today and the disease has already spread... their future behavior is largely irrelevant. Other businesses cannot simply become scared and require vaccines because other financial concerns (of being sued, etc.) pull in the other direction.

Comment: Re:You're really not missing much.... (Score 1) 191

by MightyYar (#48892385) Attached to: Verizon About To End Construction of Its Fiber Network

I was at work when I typed that or I would have run a test. I just ran the Ookla test and got 23 down / 6 up. Technically I pay something like $53 for the internet, but that includes a $10 discount for having cable, which costs about $10 for limited basic. Without cable, it would be $63 - so I get it for "free" I guess. Taxes and fees and a $2 box rental bring me up to $69.95.

Really, really pricey - but it's good to have a monopoly.

Comment: Re:Translation: (Score 1, Insightful) 157

by MightyYar (#48885485) Attached to: Surface RT Devices Won't Get Windows 10

I'm not sure why anyone would mourn the worthless abortion that was Windows RT.

Most of MS's initial attempts are "worthless abortions". I was hoping that they would stick with it in the boneheaded way that they always do to provide another competitive option. You see iOS and Android borrow from MS and from each other. I mourn the loss of competition, not the product itself.

And no, I don't consider the full-blown Surface to be real competition for most Android tablets. It's in the price range of the iPads, but has half the battery life. You have to actually need Windows in order for it to be an attractive option. Interface design is subjective, but the necessity to flip between tablet-land and the traditional desktop seriously hurts usability IMHO. Both Android and iOS are simpler.

Comment: Re:its a tough subject (Score 1) 638

by MightyYar (#48884555) Attached to: Should Disney Require Its Employees To Be Vaccinated?

In the past, we've gotten by with having most people get vaccinated, and the fringe weirdos could slide along with herd immunity. The problem now is that we have too many fringe weirdos - to the point where they don't even consider themselves weird. This is at least in part thanks to the self-reinforcing nature of the internet and celebrities.

We just need to get back to the "fringe weirdos" stage, not get 100% compliance. It would be a shame to abandon too much of our country's libertarian ideals for this one problem - but I'll grant you that sometimes you have to cave to reality. A good example is war - people go in with all sorts of ideals about how wars should be fought, but an enemy without those ideals can force you to play their game instead. Measles does not respect individual liberty, and we need to be cognizant of that in our response.

Comment: Re:its a tough subject (Score 2) 638

by MightyYar (#48883803) Attached to: Should Disney Require Its Employees To Be Vaccinated?

How are they infringing on others rights?

By knowingly making themselves an incubator for a communicable disease.

By their very nature, epidemics need to be managed at the society level. I think libertarianism is a fantastic base ideology, but communicable disease tends to not care much for individual-based thinking.

Really you're saying "you are going to have too many sick days, i can just tell it!" is justification for dismissal.

No, I'm saying, "You are going to make other people here, or their non-vaccinated dependents, sick."

I mean, this story is a perfect example that it isn't just a matter of sick days. Disneyland has a real nightmare on their hands.

"Don't think; let the machine do it for you!" -- E. C. Berkeley