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Marxist Hacker 42's Journal: On life 12

Journal by Marxist Hacker 42
Comments from my last journal entry indicate I need to strongly define my definitions for the "self-evident rights" found in the Declaration of Independence. It appears I have different definitions than is common for America, though any Roman Catholic Scholar will find my definitions somewhat mirror those in Summa Theologicae by St. Thomas Aquinas.

I follow the modern Catholic definition of a right to life: The duty of government, the duty of doctors and nurses by the Geneva Declaration of Physicians, the duty of married heterosexual parents; is to protect residents in the country, home, and hospital; from loving natural conception until natural death. Prevention of conception, abortion, abnormal medical procedures such as "test tube babies", surrogate motherhood, war, murder, the death penalty, and euthanasia are all against this duty to protect those who cannot protect themselves.
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  • What's the issue with test tube babies or surrogate motherhood? Does this extend to artificial insemination?

    I can understand the rationale behind the other items listed, but I can't really see the issue with test tube babies or surrogate motherhood. Is it something to do with "if you can't have a baby adopt one that already exists"?

    • What's the issue with test tube babies or surrogate motherhood? Does this extend to artificial insemination?

      Yes. Perversions of the sex act away from the dual purposes of unification and procreation are anti-life.

      I can understand the rationale behind the other items listed, but I can't really see the issue with test tube babies or surrogate motherhood. Is it something to do with "if you can't have a baby adopt one that already exists"?

      Yes, partially, and certainly so for t

      • Presumably fertility drugs are out then? What about the various methods of timing for things like ovulation or temperature regulation to maximize the likelihodd of a pregnancy?

        • Presumably fertility drugs are out then? What about the various methods of timing for things like ovulation or temperature regulation to maximize the likelihodd of a pregnancy?

          These would depend upon how they're used- the conception remains within the "natural" realm here, requiring male and female to come together "as one flesh". Of course, we're moving away from the strictly secular into the Biblical at this point, but then again, that's where the idea of heterosexual sex being natural law comes

          • by gmhowell (26755) *

            A even bigger argument in theological circles is the idea of "Only God has the power of Life and Death", in which case, one could make the argument that an infertile couple is *MEANT* to be infertile, despite the heartache that brings.

            I've always found that to be a big pile of horseshit. What's the point in God providing man with the intellect to develop IVF or the Large Hadron Collider if not to use them? Sure, you can carry my argument to absurdities and mention the atom bomb. But why not go in the opposite direction and live live the Amish or Mennonites?

            At some point, you get into a grey area, and the more exceptions you create, the more your implications become the work of a gaggle of lawyers, rather than a code that a person can liv

            • I've always found that to be a big pile of horseshit. What's the point in God providing man with the intellect to develop IVF or the Large Hadron Collider if not to use them? Sure, you can carry my argument to absurdities and mention the atom bomb. But why not go in the opposite direction and live live the Amish or Mennonites?

              Funny, had a dream about that last night- that I had gone home to my brother's farm and ended up invited to a "neighborhood get together" at the Apostolic Christian Church acr

              • by gmhowell (26755) *

                Isn't moving industrialized nations to an agrarian lifestyle a bit like squeezing the toothpaste back into the tube?

                People of all sorts already have replaced God in their lives. Certainly the state has the power of life and death. The tree huggers love their Gaia. And where would the GOP be without the Ghost of Christmas Future, err, the Invisible Hand?

                Glad I remembered that I posted that comment, as slashdot ate the reply notification. Only wish I could give it some reasoned reply.

                • Isn't moving industrialized nations to an agrarian lifestyle a bit like squeezing the toothpaste back into the tube?

                  Yeah, but it's going to have to happen anyway. It can happen in one of three ways: Unplanned, Planned, or Break out of the Restraints. Unfortunately that last we might not have the time left to develop.

                  People of all sorts already have replaced God in their lives. Certainly the state has the power of life and death. The tree huggers love their Gaia. And where would th

                  • by gmhowell (26755) *

                    Has a planned economy ever succeeded? Is there any reason to believe that the cost of galactic colonization will be less than the cost of fixing the Earth?

                    • Has a planned economy ever succeeded?

                      Yes, they're usually called traditional economies though. Many have lasted for thousands or even tens of thousands of years. What hasn't worked is a LARGE economy, planned or unplanned; small economies almost always work due to homogenous culture.

                      Is there any reason to believe that the cost of galactic colonization will be less than the cost of fixing the Earth?

                      Actually, quite possibly. Up to a dozen within 30 light years [google.com] that we migh

  • >Prevention of conception

    We need to wait for a wife's menopause in order to enjoy our marital life fully, which usually comes more than twenty years after our first liason. Don't worry, life is long.

    Meaning of marriage is first of all in social relations to have fun exclusively between two opposite sex. Raise their kids, live together economically come only after this first aim is achieved.

    • Only in an eastern perspective. The Western Perspective, due to a major influence of the Bubonic Plague on Western Philosophy/Theology, holds procreation above recreation.

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