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Comment: Re:What society really needs to do (Score 1) 518

by RobinH (#46631335) Attached to: Department of Transportation Makes Rear View Cameras Mandatory
People don't fail the driver test because they're bad drivers (they're almost all substandard drivers at age 16). They fail because of technicalities, and the mood of the person giving the test. Case in point, I went to a small town near where I live to get my license, passed the first time, but he was *very* lenient, in my opinion. My wife took her tests in a city and failed 3 times and 2 of those were for minor technicalities. She finally paid for one driver's ed. lesson with CAA (Canadian version of AAA auto club) and they let her drive their car, and suddenly the evaluator was all nice and she passed no problem.

Comment: Re:Better Idea (Score 4, Insightful) 94

I don't think you'll have a lot of top-notch research scientists applying for those jobs. Just like it's hard to attract doctors to rural areas, it's hard to attract the majority of people away from population centers, especially if you're looking for the best and brightest.

Comment: Re:Only in America (Score 1) 870

by RobinH (#46589569) Attached to: Job Automation and the Minimum Wage Debate

What is wrong with just letting people enjoy fruit of the modern civilization without considering our collective wealth a downside? Plenty of people will still find a way to work in order to afford more exclusive stuff line posh houses, luxury vacations or whatever.

What you're describing is socialism, and is probably the only way out of the mess, but it's one of those things you can easily take too far. If you take it even close to communism, the people who can do stuff just won't. They need really good incentives to keep producing. Those incentives have to come from having a substantial share of the production, and none of that production is being produced by this ever-growing out-of-work slice of the population. If 10% of the populace had to work 80 hour weeks to support the other 90% without living like absolute kings, then I don't think that would work. Maybe that will be how it works, but somehow the 90% is always going to moan and whine about not having what the 10% has.

In fact, is it even fair that the people doing all the automating are the ones who have to keep working? I've been doing automation for 15 years now, and I'd love to "automate" my way down to a 4 day work week, but somehow the more I do, the more demand there is for my work. Not in the nice pay-you-more demand way either. At my last job, I was making decent money because I was paid overtime and there was a lot of demand for me on various projects, but the suits told me I *had* to change my remuneration to base+bonus (against my wishes) and suddenly I ended up making less money, but they expected me to work as many hours. I quit and found another place that paid overtime. Still, people laugh at me when I say I want a 4-day work week, even if I'd be willing to take a paycut. There just isn't any employer offering that kind of job.

Comment: Re:One thing's for sure... (Score 1) 870

by RobinH (#46582541) Attached to: Job Automation and the Minimum Wage Debate
It doesn't have to even be a moral decision; it can be very pragmatic. A country with 30% unemployment (under a mostly capitalist system) isn't politically or socially stable. Capitalism works if everyone has a chance to participate in production or has capital. If that's not the case, it won't work. You're looking at a revolt.

Comment: Re:One thing's for sure... (Score 5, Informative) 870

by RobinH (#46580741) Attached to: Job Automation and the Minimum Wage Debate

I work in industrial automation, so I do PLC programming, robot programming, control system integration, etc. I've been doing it over 15 years now. For the first 10 years I bought the whole "luddite" argument, and figured that automation only displaced people to other, ultimately higher paying jobs.

However, in recent years I've really started to worry. Imagine the person who is barely functional: they can follow instructions but you have to repeat yourself a whole bunch of times, and even then they still make lots of mistakes. My experience tells me this is around 30% of the workforce, at least. Back when everyone was in agriculture, these people couldn't really do too much damage, and if they were strong, they were useful. The magic of the industrial revolution was that we were able to both magnify the strength of everyone, *and* reduce the chance of making errors by (a) breaking things down into tiny tasks so people only had a very very simple thing to do (tighten nut A on bolt B all day long), and (b) designing things such that they couldn't assembled incorrectly (the modern term is poka yoke). This "lower" 30% of the workforce became very productive, and they joined labor unions and owned big houses and boats. They retired with nice company pensions. Their kids got much better educations than they did.

So, if you look at the things that these people made lots of money doing (something extremely simple, repetitive, and designed to be error-proof), then that's exactly what is simple enough to automate with a robot. We recently had a job that was taking 3 operators to do and produced parts at the rate of about 3 parts per minute, and they couldn't meet the production numbers even with 2 shifts (total 6 people). We replaced all 6 of those people with a single robot, and we're up to about 8 parts per minute so we probably only need to run about 1 shift.

The difference is that this new robot assembly cell requires a semi-skilled operator to run it. They need decent troubleshooting ability, with a bit of mechanical knowledge and decent computer skills (not programming, but basic stuff like navigating screens, understanding slightly more abstract concepts, etc.). They need to be able to look at the robot gripper and determine if anything's worn and needs replacement. We happen to have someone who's almost overskilled for the position. So we keep shuffling those other 6 people around in the plant, trying to find something for them to do, and almost always realizing that whatever they're doing could be automated. Plus, I really need to stress that these aren't people with decent troubleshooting skills, computer skills, etc. Any process we put them in requires us to remove all human decision making, because we can't tolerate errors (or they're very expensive).

My point is that unskilled laborers are a hassle to employ. We have a hard time thinking up things for them to do, and we'd love to find something because, well, they're so cheap! (And we already have $10/hr+ minimum wage here.) But so are robots. It used to be that a bare robot (uninstalled) cost $50,000. Integration costs might push that to $125,000 or $150,000. That really limited the choices... you pretty much had to eliminate one operator for 3 shifts to make it a valid investment. Now those costs are almost cut in half. The robots are well under $30,000 and integration is getting cheaper, plus we're just getting better at it.

As we transition into this "new economy" where there are no unskilled manufacturing jobs left, I really don't know where these people are going to find employment. I don't just see it happening in manufacturing either. I'm pretty sure that truck drivers and taxi drivers will be the first to get automated by the kind of auto-drive technology that Google's working on. We're already seeing automated forklift trucks in factories. I just don't know.

Comment: Re:Teachers may teach Math differently to the sexe (Score 1) 384

by RobinH (#46455251) Attached to: Men And Women Think Women Are Bad At Basic Math
Maybe count how many questions were about bullets, cars, boats, and velocities. Not sure about math, but in physics it's a well-known issue with textbooks... they just appeal to male interests, but you can create a textbook that covers the same content but teaches it using more relative examples.

Comment: Should we blame Police for break-ins? (Score 1) 479

by RobinH (#46448119) Attached to: Author Says It's Time To Stop Glorifying Hackers
Every year around here the police do a media blitz trying to get people to lock their cars, make sure their garage doors are closed, etc. Is that blaming the victim? That doesn't mean the burglar isn't to blame, but it does make life harder for the police when criminals find it so easy to pick a target. It's well known that theft is mostly a matter of opportunity. The white-hat hackers are just the ones who've been screaming for years, "for god's sake people, don't store your front door keys under the mat!"

Comment: Re:hmmm (Score 1) 104

by RobinH (#46430777) Attached to: BPAS Appeals £200,000 Fine Over Hacked Website
We can't allow some beret-wearing-mac-toting hipster web site developer to be held responsible, now can we? Actually, all jesting aside, it's right to hold the organization accountable, and possibly key people at the organization if it can be shown that they didn't fulfill their duty (and clearly someone didn't). The contractor is almost never responsible legally in this case, though if the contract demanded that the software do something and it didn't do it, then the organization may be able to sue for breach of contract.

Comment: Yes (Score 1) 572

by RobinH (#46410417) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Does Your Employer Perform HTTPS MITM Attacks On Employees?
This is a very common way to solve the problem of "how do we do a virus scan on files coming in through https?" Many organizations run a proxy server for all web requests to be able to filter content, and to do anti-virus checks, but obviously it needs to view the unencrypted content to be able to do a scan. Otherwise any employee could be downloading malicious content straight through your firewall and bypass all the checks you have in place.

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