Wow, you are too much fun. So... lets start.
You mean by showing that Mac hardware prices *aren't* higher than other companies? When you compare equivalent hardware, Macs are generally cheaper than Dells, for example. Sometimes they are more. You think that if you can find *one* example to the contrary (for example, when the MacBook Pros still had Core2Duos (which was done for technical reasons because Nvidia lost the right to make chipsets for the Core iX cpus, which is what Apple was intending to use)), that this proves "Macs are more expensive".
This is what I mean by "black and white". You constantly only accept facts that support your preconceptions, and dismiss those that don't.
Ok, lets take your words here. Macs are cheaper then Dells. Lets see this with the facts and not your words (I'll be using Alienware since it is Dell and is more easy to mix and match parts to the Mac version, you can even see the link here):
Now, here is the starting point of an Alienware M17x (they don't make 15 inch models, just 14 and 17 now, which would leave me comparing to either a 13 inch or 15 inch MBP which isn't fair, so both are 17 inch models). I will also not be upgrading the Mac since the last time I did this with you, you declared it wasn't fair since Apple does have high upgrade fees. These are also BOTH customization sites so to compare you will have to follow the specs I'm listing and not alter them beyond what I'm listing or the answers will be different
CPU: IntelÂ® Coreâ i7 2720QM 2.2GHz
RAM: 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1333MHz (2DIMMS)
Graphic card: 1GB GDDR5 AMD Radeonâ HD 6870M
HD: 750GB 7,200RPM HDD
Screen: 17.3-inch WideFHD 1920 x 1080 60Hz WLED
Wireless card: Wireless 802.11 g/n
Optical drive: Slot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW) (can't tell speed)
This is were I am selection the MBP 17inch model.
CPU: 2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
RAM: 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X2GB
Graphics card: AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 1GB GDDR5
HD: 750GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 RPM
Screen: MacBook Pro 17-inch Hi-Resolution Glossy Widescreen Display (1920x1200)
Wireless card: Sorry, couldn't spot it so won't use it to compare at the end.
Optical drive: SuperDrive 8x (DVDÂ±R DL/DVDÂ±RW/CD-RW)
Both have backlit keyboards and free engravings (I'm pretty sure the Mac does at least11)
Now, in the end, for the most part they are about as even as I could make them (with a small amount of issues, the Dell has a better graphics card, the MBP has a higher screen pixel count). Price difference is $600. And it was you who pointed out the Dell would be more then the Apple. This was your choice. I'm just showing the fact. I could go through all the different model and will always have these kinds of differences. But if you wish, please prove me wrong while trying to keep the comparisons fair, I did by making sure to keep the MBP non-upgraded and altered the Dell configuration to the MBP's level as evenly and fairly as I could. See if you can do it, I'm not dismissing anything you'll show me if it's done in a fair manor. (unlike the last time I gave you mostly this exact comparison where you altered the Dell to have an i3 and lowered everything you possibly could and then upped the MBP settings to make it seem like price wasn't a good comparison since your new models didn't match hardware wise).
to not long ago showing you that Mac isn't the most secure OS out there (which you demanded had to be regardless that I had your word against the word of professionals)
Please quote where I said Mac OS X is the "most secure OS out there". It is more secure than Windows. This is simple to prove: what are the odds of a Mac being pwned? What are the odds of a Windows PC being pwned? Seems pretty straightforward to me!
p>Bluntly put, I'm not going to dig through my posts to re-show you that. If you've chosen to forget it then thats your issue (I've also noticed you like for me to always find the links, how about you start showing a link and some facts, something I keep calling you on and you have yet to EVER do. As for odds of a Mac being pwned? If history at the Pwn2Own shows right, about 30 seconds to do it. Charles Miller has shown this time and time again and has even pointed out OSX isn't as secure as Windows (and he's a OSX user, so he isn't biased).
*YOU* are the one who mentioned Mac OS X. I was replying TO YOU.
I mentioned Mac OS X running on open hardware, never anything about OS X not being open software. That is what you wanted to reply to but it wasn't there to reply to. I keep pointing this out to you and even quoting it. If you still are having issues figuring this out, then there isn't anything I can do for you.
There has been malware on iOS, go look it up.
Not for non-jailbroken iPhones. Do you wonder why I keep having to ask if you even READ the posts you are replying to?
Seems I might have been mistake about malware on the iOS store. But that has been the only time I mentioned it. Before I pointed out things like the sms of death (and that is what you even quoted). So, if this is the first and only time I've said this mistake, why are you having to keep repeating it? This in fact would have to be the first and only possible time you would have been able to mention it.
And again, I pointed out that there had been people hacked on the Apple forums but again you ignored that fact because your blind to it.
No you didn't. You claimed that people had to have their phones reset.
Thats what the SMS of death did. Thats why I pointed it out. It didn't just put up some sign on the home screen saying "I was hit by the sms of death."
I give you fact, I point out where to find it yourself, but still you refused to see it. That is why I pointed out pot meet kettle, because you defined yourself to the letter.
Um, aside from the fact that this was written after you made the pot/kettle statement, YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY USEFUL INFORMATION for finding it. I'm not going to hunt around on Apple's forums to check the assertion of some random slashdotter that can't even seem to read the posts he's directly replying to.
Well, I've provided some useful information that you argeed with (Android having more freedom) and now I've added links to disprove your "Apple is cheaper hardware" on top of that. The ball is in your court.
Like I said, what good is a little bit of additional "freedom", if you can't make use of it?
FINALLY! You acknowledge it!
ROFL. Wow, that was me quoting you, not me saying it. Again, your twisting the truth and facts to match your "mind-virus" views. I acknowledged nothing. In fact I argued this exact statement of yours with "Wow, again you've contradicted yourself. Your last sentence was "And I've already explained how iOS provides SIGNIFICANTLY more freedom for most people" and now suddenly you're stating that android has more freedom. Your answers change so fast...." Granted to that you wrote:
I've said this from the very beginning. And I've said it more than once. You CLEARLY don't read the posts you reply to. And even the parts you DO read you don't understand.
Android provides more freedom, but MOST PEOPLE CAN'T USE IT. iOS offers more USABLE freedom to most people. That's why I said (quoting my VERY FIRST POST MENTIONING FREEDOM TO YOU TODAY)
Let me quote to you your EXACT words (cut and pasted): "o, he addressed what you wrote quite well. But I'll go even further:
iOS, the "locked down, walled garden" that it is, is SIGNIFICANTLY more free for most people than something like Android or Linux in general. What good is the small bit of additional "freedom" to people who can't benefit from it?
That's the problem with fanatics, they only see things in black and white, and only from their point of view (which is why they can pretend grey doesn't exist).
" Hmmm... I don't see this phrasing of "iOS offers more USABLE freedom to most people.". In fact, its the first time you've mentioned it. Again, you've changed your answer in hopes I wouldn't notice. But you see, this is a message board that you can't change what you wrote. I can see what you've said and so can anyone else. You haven't at any point said a word about iOS being "more useable freedom". As for Android providing more freedom that most people can't use, explain this. I have an Android phone, and I don't have the walled garden, the market isn't killed when Google offers a service (like the ebooks I mentioned to you). I'm sure if you, as you so 'politely' said it to me "You constantly only accept facts that support your preconceptions, and dismiss those that don't." you'll figure something out, but all in all, its just you only accepting facts that support your preconceptions and only those.
iOS is more free for most people" and "Android is more free" are NOT contradictory.
And you wonder why I sometimes leave your posts unreplied to!
I'm to guess this was to be meant to be taken with your twisted version of history where in the beginning you said "useable" but never did, right? Both can't be more free then the other, it's one OR the other.
As for not always replying to my posts, I know why. Facts and truth were to hard for you to lie your way through. I've caught so many of them and keep laying them bare for you, in fact your starting to trip over them in your panic of lying more and more.