Comment: Re:Ron Paul? Try the NY freakin' Times (Score 0) 741
Modded down? No I do not think you should be modded down for your opinion. I just think you are a sheep reacting to knee jerk ideas that people will perish without this policy. Seriously my actual privacy outweights your irrational fears. You cannot take away my rights cause you got scared. Especially when your fears are warrantless.
So please, explain to me how exactly your privacy is being violated. Because if you think it is, then you really need to actually read the government's explanation of the programs instead of getting it secondhand (you know, like sheep) from people who are grossly hyperbolizing the scope of what is being collected and used. They are not reading your email. They are not poring over your phone records. All they are doing is collecting the information so that, if a warrant is issued and they have probable cause to think that you might be involved in terrorism activities, they can come back later and evaluate the information to try to track down other possible terrorism suspects.
You call me a "sheep", yet it is you who is making baseless assumptions, not me. You're assuming that the people who are in charge of these programs are outright lying about the scope of them and the scrutiny and oversight they're subjected to. If Snowden had come out and said, "...and as proof that this program is being abused, the Slashdot poster Wookact is actually Joe Schmo in Walla Walla, Washington, and here are the contents of some of the private emails he's sent to people and some of the phone numbers he's called, even though I have no reason to suspect that he's involved in anything illegal," then your argument might hold water.
As it is, though, you're just throwing out baseless allegations that some hypothetical evil has been committed based on premises that I do not hold to be true, things like government is always evil, the people in charge of these programs are saying stuff that conflicts with your foregone conclusion therefore they must be lying, that there is no oversight of these programs and/or any oversight of them must be corrupt, etc. And by the way, last time I checked, people have in fact died from terrorist attacks. Also, last time I checked, several plots have been thwarted thanks to the hard work of the intelligence community, and there hasn't been an attack of the scale of 9/11 since, well, 9/11, so I have to think that something must be working pretty well and what you dismiss offhandedly as people being afraid is actually people taking some common sense precautions to not die by the thousands. It is in fact your fears of some hypothetical abuse for which there is no evidence that is warrantless. When you have some actual evidence that the programs are being abused and that their leadership is lying to us, try again and you'll make some more headway.
Is it hypothetically possible that such a program, under certain contrived circumstances, could be abused? Well, yeah, but in the sense that the fact that we have a nuclear arsenal could hypothetically be abused. Yet I don't sit around worrying all day about the possibility that a nuclear bomb might explode in my neighborhood, I have more important things to worry about and better things to do with my time.
So please, again, exactly what rights of yours have been violated? Some imaginary right to not have information about what you're doing collected by the government? If so, then do you drive a car? Then please stop reading these posts and immediately go to your local DMV and express your outrage over having to have a tag number that--gasp!--is actually retained on file that, if you commit a crime, can be used after the fact to track back to you. Have you ever worked? If so, then make sure to express outrage over the government keeping your Social Security Number and W2s on file so that if you commit tax evasion, they can find out about it and prosecute you instead of just sitting around saying, "Gosh, I sure wish we knew who this 714-89-3110 person was." Do you own a home? Make sure they don't have your address on file, because god knows that if someone calls 911 and reports gunshots at 123 Main Street, you don't want those bastards to be able to figure out that that's your house, that would be a gross violation of privacy!
Now here's the thing--I don't even believe that the government collecting all of this information is a good thing. I do not believe that it's being abused, but I do believe that there is the potential of it being abused at some point by less scrupulous people. But to be blunt, I'm not even a fraction as worried about the government abusing such power as I am private corporations with strong financial incentives to screw people over doing so, yet the vast majority of Americans don't give a shit about that happening, even being flaunted right in their faces. Also to be blunt, it's frustrating to me that we're just now all mad and upset about these programs when they were in place years ago under a different administration and the Libertarians and right-wing seemed to be perfectly fine with it then. And last but not least, to be blunt, it pisses me off that everyone's all upset about agencies and administrations exercising power that, I remind you again, was legally granted to them by the Patriot Act, acting as if, gosh, we didn't think they'd take it seriously!