"Ok, what other valid ways are there?"
Asked the same question last week on a german board, didn't get an answer either.

I don't think christianity can be considered tamed... merely relatively dormant.

but... in the case of the koran it's the twisted interpretations that makes it look peaceful. read it. this book makes the old testament look rational in comparison.

i think i know that feeling. trying to get more in-depth information about islam, its customs and countries has proven to be a brutal feat. the original intention was to counter what i perceived to be another hunt for people with a different ideology. i could not have dreamt what this ideologie does in fact contain. its a horrible, horrible mess and a very real possiblity to actually fall back to the dark ages. i really thought that this was over and done for, that our future will be free of the worst aspects of religion - for good. along came allah and hundreds upon hundreds of millions of his submitting devotees...

and no, i do not care about that not _all_ of them are fanatics. everybody who really believes that the koran is the unadulterated word of god is, in my current view, a potential time bomb. after all, all it takes for those non-fanatics to become very strange people is to start to take the koran more seriously in their life. just read the text of the koran, from a humantistic point of view its a pukefest of the highest order. just because it's peppered with a few stanzas that aren't totally off the rocker doesn't make it more bearable.

they are like regular people who happen to hold a brutal desert-doctrine for the final truth. so yeah, _totally_ just like regular people... and i've tried the "talk to western muslims" approach over the last couple of years. I was horrified by a lot of the reponses, but agreed, not _all_ of them. but most. enough, for me at least, to form an opinion about the "religion of peace", something i can only write with quotes proper lest I risk a semantic breakdown.

free, uncensored information has to be the mortal enemy of islam. i sincerely hope that free information will prevail, otherwise allah help us all. (posted from central europe)

maybe this will be of help:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/backforward-dropmarker/

"business users" should die out.all those arguments they are still spouting off evaporated the past decade. "there is a large corporation behind it to fix security holes", now we have seen how well this played out.

the only reason would be that if something goes wrong, as it regularly did, management can believably blame another management, that is microsofts. of course there was a hefty price to pay, maybe we will see someday some charts that quantify what microsofts ie6 dominance has cost the web in terms of hindered evolution and millions of manhours to make stuff run on it.

it seems "business solution" is rapidly becoming synonym with overly expensive, inflexible, often braindead... but backed by other businesses. if trying to get something done is the name of the game, looking to "business" for a good solution is... optimistic.

nah, they make it up with koran-time instead, incidentally producing a hangover much more lasting than beer can ever hope to produce.

you got an url there?

milli vanilli