OK, I take your word for it.

I apologize for contradicting you. But you hit a nerve: Republicans routinely prevent people from voting who are most likely Democrats (or just not reliable Republican voters), while accusing "Democratic activists" of stuffing the ballot boxes. I get defensive about it, even though I'm not a Democrat. I just care about justice. Sorry for taking it too far.

You just agreed with me. The only reason Obama wouldn't promote it as a tax (if indeed you can find a citation quoting him actually saying "this is not a tax") is because saying "tax" to Republicans makes them say "no"; any other fact is totally irrelevant to them. Just because the president uses public rhetoric that gives Republicans cover to pass their own healthcare policy doesn't mean that rhetoric has any legally binding force. And when Republicans vote for a tax without calling it one, then do everything they can to stop it because it's not a tax, doesn't mean the Supreme Court has to pay any attention to the lies and craziness of those Republicans.

The Supreme Court has to decide whether the Congress has the power to collect money from all Americans if they don't purchase something mandated. The government has been doing this, specifically with health insurance, since the 1700s. That doesn't mean this Court will decide that way (they did after all decide both Bush v Gore and Citizens United without regard to law or disastrous effects on the country), but that is the basis for deciding.

Where's your evidence of this Democratic bussing that you're complimenting as a fact?

The catalytic converter's computer values for the sulphur content in the gasoline are wrong. So when especially sulphurous gas is burned, the converter pumps sulphur dioxide into the cabin. It stinks like an antisocial gastric event. It's also somewhat toxic. Toyota pretended to diagnose the car for over 2 years until the lemon law no longer could force them to replace the car. Even though it turned out that Toyota had issued a notice to its dealers describing exactly the problem, the 2 dealers my wife used claimed they couldn't figure it out. Until the obligation period expired, when suddenly they figured it out.

That car should have been recalled. When I discovered their scam (too late) I should have driven it through the dealership front windows, "overcome by a toxic cloud from the dashboard", and let the lawyers sort it out.

No, I meant that the people withdrawing the money and the people making the machine both wanted the withdrawing people to get the correct amount of money. To avoid the extreme hassle of the backlash by either side if either too much or too little money came out. The right amount is in their mutual interest.

As Stalin said, democracy is controlled by who counts the votes. With voting machines, both the operators and the suppliers of the machine collude to count the votes the "right" way.

Except that Gore never said that. He took credit for his 1980s Senate leadership when he legislated and funded Internet development, without which it would not have become anything like the priceless public resource that has done so much since the 1990s.

Try again with an example that isn't just another lie Republicans have told so often that it "seems" like the truth.

You'd be surprised because you're a Republican. You were surprised when the Qaeda flew planes into buildings, exactly as the US intel orgs had specifically been warning Bush all a year. You were surprised when the New Orleans levees collapsed. You were surprised when the economy collapsed under ludicrous synthetic debt obligations.

Hell, you were suprised when McCain lost to Obama.

You Republicans are incapable of believing anything your propaganda machine tells you to fear. While you believe like a crusader any convenient lie they tell you.

The American Care Act has been in Thomas for years, like any other legislation. It's Republicans who control the House who are trying to stop publishing laws in Thomas or anywhere else.

You Republicans really are the most demented cult we've got.

It doesn't matter whether the seamen were infrastate or intrastate or extrastate. The question is whether the Congress has the power to require private citizens or corporations to buy something like health insurance. The answer is that it has exercised exactly that power, even under the express direction of the people who wrote and signed the Constitution.

Your question of whether the Congress has jurisdiction to act at all in requiring private citizens or corporations to do anything is answered in many other ways. It is not an issue. Your conflating it with foreign traveling seamen does not make it an issue.

Correct.

I wish Slashdot let you reply with that single message to all of the dozens of wrong answers denying its a tax, within the taxing powers of Congress. Instead the idiocy just multiplies all up and down the page.

Medicare is legal, as is SS.

The people paying for a fund that pays for old age pensions and healthcare is not a bribe. In fact most of the SS and Medicare money goes to people who are much less likely to vote. That's a terrible bribery scheme. It's clearly not bribery at all.

FDR passed all kinds of laws that Republicans like you tried to stop (and are trying again - you people never give up, because you always have budgets from your 1% masters). They have been challenged many times, and found Constitutional. The Courts upholding them after most of a century have been mostly appointed by Republicans, both presidents and Senates. Only a tiny percentage were appointed by FDR.

It's Republicans like you that keep the Supreme Court limited to 9 justices, because it's easier for you to corrupt it when it's far too small and overloaded with cases it must refuse. Despite the Republican lie you're peddling here, the Court never was and still is not limited to 9 justices. Its headcount up to Congress, which hasn't expanded it in going on a century, even as the country has multiplied its population, cranked up its count of states, and become far more litigious as people have far more power to damage each other.

But Republicans like you want Americans to starve and rot as we get old, subject to whatever predator can pay to carve them up, the way it was until SS and Medicare civilized the country. Lying about Courts and presidents is nothing to you, while you're savaging the people. But Americans still aren't the cannibals you're trying to trick us into becoming. Medicare and SS are the most effective and popular programmes among the people who create governments to protect our rights.