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Comment: Re:Coincidentally 46% (Score 1) 1136

The data in TFA does show a strong link between education level and acceptance of evolution. But there's still a lot of rejection of evolution by educated Americans. According to the data, 25% of Americans with post-college education are Young Earth Creationists. Now, it is likely that some of those are people who went to Podunk Bible School and then got a masters in theology or ministering or something similar. But even given that, there's a lot of educated YECs in the US.

Comment: Re:The reason Christianity has this problem. (Score 2) 1136

Possibly relevant, but the data in the above link is for Muslims living in the US. It is possible that they are being influenced by their compatriots outside the US (and of course many are immigrants). And in fact, Muslims in many other countries have much more severe numbers, which suggests that your hypothesis is correct.

Comment: Re:The reason Christianity has this problem. (Score 5, Informative) 1136

For a while I thought this, but then I was pointed out that Muslims have very low acceptance rates of evolution even though Islam doesn't need the details of a creation story in any deep theological way. http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/02/21/acceptance-of-evolution-by-var/. This may be due in part to the general more reactionary and hyper-religious aspects of Islam currently having more sway than in much of Christianity, but at least on its surface this suggests that whatever causes high rates of creationism in Christianity may be more subtle.

Comment: Re:~79%? (Score 1) 1136

Many religious individuals don't want public prayers, and don't want the Ten Commandments in public schools(Catholic, Protestant or Jewish version and which set given that the text is repeated twice in the Bible), and damn well don't want someone else's theology like intelligent design put in their kids' science classrooms. A lot of Jews for example are probably in the 79%. The First Amendment protects everyone, whether religious or not religious.

Comment: There's some degree of conflict (Score 4, Interesting) 1136

Gallup and a few others have consistently gotten numbers between 40-48% for this data, but for reasons I don't fully understand, CBS polls on the same issue get slightly higher results. They get routinely in the 50-55% range http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500160_162-965223.html. I'm not sure why this discrepancy exists, but it isn't a single yearly issue and it doesn't seem to be connected to how the questions are phrased, which suggests there's some more subtle issue going on.

The data for both this years Gallup poll and previous years does show some fairly predictable patterns. For example, by most of the previous polls, around 60% of Republicans are Young Earth Creationists while a little under 40% of Democrats are Young Earth Creationists. http://www.gallup.com/poll/108226/Republicans-Democrats-Differ-Creationism.aspx. This should not however be taken as general evidence that Republicans or conservatives are dumb or uneducated. The GSS as part of their regular survey does a set about general science knowledge, and that data suggests that when not asking questions about evolution or age of the Earth, progressives and conservatives look very similar, and there's some evidence that the people with the least science knowledge are self-identified moderates http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/03/the-republican-fluency-with-science/ although exactly what is going on is not clear. http://religionsetspolitics.blogspot.com/2011/04/political-affiliation-and-scientific.html. This is part of a general trend which suggests that moderates in the US are often not very well informed.

Also, while Gallup says that the fraction of people who reject evolution has stayed roughly constant, there's a potentially more interesting trend in the data, over the last 30 years there's been a steady increase in people who say that evolution occurred with God taking no part in the process. http://www.gallup.com/poll/108226/Republicans-Democrats-Differ-Creationism.aspx. Most of that is movement not from the strict creationists but from a reduction in the size of the group that thinks that evolution happened with God guiding it. This may reflect the general decline of the moderately religious, especially so called "mainline Protestants" or it may be due to other effects such as general increases in partisanship.

Comment: US not great, UN would be worse (Score 5, Insightful) 437

by JoshuaZ (#40176539) Attached to: UN Takeover of Internet Must Be Stopped, US Warns

The US is not great. The US does things like seizing domain names based on minimal cause and then spending years before they give them back. A lot of those seized have been over copyright issues and in some cases they haven't even been clearly infringing. This is similar to how many states in the US have assert forfeiture laws which allow police to confiscate large sums of money or cars under minimal suspicion of involvement with illegal drug dealing, and getting them back is difficult.

But the UN would be worse. The UN contains many countries with little conception of free speech. Even allies of the US like Canada and Britain have substantially less free speech than the US does. In the case of Britain libel although being reformed is still very much a danger. In Canada, speech which specifically targets minorities or criticizes religions can be labeled as hate speech with fines given. And most of the world, is much much worse. Consistently a large fraction of the Islamic countries have tried to push through anti-blasphemy regulations in the UN. So far they've failed. But it is easy to imagine what would happen if they could actually block pictures of Muhammad. Similarly. China would slaver at the thought of not having to do its own censorship but simply have no websites discussing Tiananmen Square at all. Letting even weak internet control get in the hands of the UN is a recipe for disaster. Maybe in 20 or 30 years when the free speech situation has improved. But not right now.

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