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Comment: Re:The problem... (Score 1) 385

by Hurga (#48005979) Attached to: Torvalds: No Opinion On Systemd

Well, yesterday my coworker had the issue that CentOS 7 was in a reboot loop after installing upgrades, which was a systemd issue to start with, And the logging of systemd didn't really help to debug it. coworker googled some recipe which consisted of a bunch of sysctls which neither of us understood. Fixed the issue (for now). Feels like Windows...

And this is exactly what I predicted: Systemd will have weird issues, and since no one understands its complexity, no one will be able to fix it. If you're lucky, you'll be able to google the solution. Reinstall will be the standard Linux fix soon.

Notice how simplicity is design goal number 1.

If you really believe this you should take less.

If you intend to remain (a paid) Linux sysadmin in the future now where all major distro are starting to convert to systemd, you should really study systemd's journal.

And this is why every sysadmin hates your cabal: It feels like the evil empire taking over. "Don't resist, and it will hurt less."

But we will resist. Go to hell.

Comment: Re:The problem... (Score 1) 385

by Hurga (#47932669) Attached to: Torvalds: No Opinion On Systemd

I've been a sysadmin for 20 years, and I've seen systems break in lots of interesting ways. What I want is a log mechanism which is as simple as possible so that it as least has a chance of giving me the info I need even if the rest of the system is in the process of going to hell.

What I don't want is an unnecessarily (you aren't even able to explain the advantages, actually some of your "advantages" are disadvantages like the corruption detection) complex system which will take ages to debug, IF it will ever be - most software is already too complex and too fast moving to be ever debugged sufficiently. It violates the KISS principle. And the advantage of Linux over Windows used to be the KISS principle...

Comment: Re:Simple set of pipelined utilties! (Score 1) 385

by Hurga (#47932553) Attached to: Torvalds: No Opinion On Systemd

1. "init is writing"? What the hell are you smoking?

2. The banking transaction didn't get though because of a network interface glitch and incorrect error handling. There wasn't even a DB on the same system.

Syslog files are probably the biggest advantage Linux has over Windows. There aren't really a lot of experienced syadmins who would want to do without these.

Comment: Re:No... (Score 1) 533

by Hurga (#46958867) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Practical Alternatives To Systemd?

You can wire up syslog to the journal.

I don't want to, I don't need to. I just want every bit of information a horribly broken system is still able to tell me about its state. This won't work better is you move away from plain text. - BTW: How do you use remote logging with systemd? Sending and receiving?

So please enlighten me: How do you kill apache with all the php/ruby/whatnot crap it directly or indirectly spawned?

apachectl stop

Yes, really. This is not the most simple setup here (suexec php5/fastcgi), but starting/stopping of the spawned php servers has never been an issue, even without systemd.

Please do not assume that I am too young or too stupid to know the good old ways.

Admittedly, you are making that hard to believe when you even have issues with stopping apache. There is no problem to fix.

Grep for "sleep" in the init scripts of the sysv-init distribution of your choice: You will be surprised.

Not really. A few sleep 1, speech-dispatcher has a sleep 3 and stunnel4 sleep 5. Both at restart. I couldn't care less.

By the way, there are alternatives to sysv init. They work well and don't even break compatibility. They are what systemd needs to be compared to.

Let's just wait a year or two. By then all the hotheads that are running for the BSDs now will be back

Linux and Free Software are about modularity and choice. Large-scale breaking of backward compatibility and user expectations for dubious reasons is not going to play well with the community. Linux is already getting WAY too complex for people concerned with security, and additional complexity in form of enforced blessings by a group of people who comes across as conspirators gives me a very bad feeling. Who profits from intentionally weeding out choice? We'll see, but don't expect me to wait for it.

Comment: Some facts about nuclear power in Germany (Score 1) 822

by Hurga (#36287528) Attached to: Germany To End Nuclear Power By 2022

There are 17 available nuclear power plants in Germany. While some were down for maintenance in 2010, the remaining ones produced 22.6% of Germany's electricity.

Also in 2010, "green power" (electricity from regenerative sources) was at 16.5% in Germany.

8 nuclear power plants have been shut down in the wake of the Fukushima disaster and will remain so. With 5 down for maintenance, this leaves Germany with currently only 4 running nuclear power plants. I didn't notice any recent shortage of electricity. And obviously green power has outpaced nuclear power already.

And regarding the alleged expensiveness of green power, here's a Bloomberg article which claims it's keeping the power price down: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-21/solar-doubling-gas-glut-drive-down-german-power-prices-energy-markets.html

There are plans to have Germany completely on green power by 2050. Should be possible.

Comment: Re:But its not being used! (Score 1) 328

by Hurga (#35638510) Attached to: German Politician Demonstrates Extent of Cellphone Location Tracking

This has been used by the police, at least in Germany.

The general problems with this approach are the poor resolution of the data, giving you too many false positives in populated areas, and that you have to know the time of the event - hard to know without witnesses in sparsely populated areas where the resolution would be sufficient.

The case where I know cell phone location has been used was where a woman had been killed in a car by a tree trunk being thrown from a bridge on the autobahn. Here you had a sparsely populated area (the fast-moving people in the cars are easy to rule out) and the precise time of the event (her horrified husband was the witness).

So they got hold of the suspect, a junkie who happened to be around. They got a confession from him - by withholding him from drugs until he confessed, so I'm not entirely convinced that he really was the perpetrator. Which illustrates a big problem with this approach: The police has a tendency to make people confess somehow as soon as they have a 'convenient' suspect, and cell phone tracking can give you plenty of them, guilty or not.

BTW: Only 20% of the killers in the US are caught and convicted? It's > 95% here in Germany...

Comment: Re:This is a big deal for me. :-( (Score 1) 459

by Hurga (#35278106) Attached to: Ask Slashdot: Is There a War Against Small Mail Servers?

Yahoo clueful? Maybe when it comes to accepting email. Try to report spam to them. You'll get some nice boilerplate answers telling you either they've taken action, or that they didn't send the spam, both for emails clearly originating from Yahoo (and yes I know how to read headers). And of course the spam keeps coming in either case.

Yahoo is the only big ISP I had to block at work.

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