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Current Ebay Fad: A Lesson Learned?

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  • by Em Emalb (452530) *
    Sounds to me like they are doing their disciplining the wrong way.

    But what do I know, I'm just a dumb childless dude.
    • Re:weak (Score:3, Insightful)

      by metlin (258108) *
      Exactly.

      They are disciplining him the wrong way, the way you train a dog or something.

      Be a good kid, and you'll have this. Misbehave and I'll take it away.

      Duh! Atleast from what I recall, my folks used to teach me what's right and what's wrong, and instilled a sense of moral values to hold on to. This is too stupid.

      But in some sense, it serves the kid right, too :)
    • Sounds like you are thinking correctly grasshopper. This kid wouldn't have pulled this shit if mommy and daddy had been doing their jobs all along.

      • I agree! First of all, it sounds like they're placing entirely too much emphasis on the monetary damages of his behavior. As if, if he had enough money, he could just pay for his bad behavior and be redeemed. Much more valuable than the bugle and the beer and the champagne is the broken trust (which I think was probably in disrepair before this incident ever occurred).

        Second, does it sound like this kid needs more guidance? Getting dropped off at the skating rink (which isn't inherently negligent, if your
        • There was a generation once. It was labeled "the greatest generation" by a famous talking head. Although it is a gross oversimplification of the events that transpired, it could be said that this generation saved the world from one of the most evil forces to ever set foot on terran soil.

          This generation suffered massive losses and hardships while making the sacrifice it needed to, insuring that freedom and, possibly, civlization could continue.

          This generation eventually had children. Not wanting their offs

        • First of all, it sounds like they're placing entirely too much emphasis on the monetary damages of his behavior.

          Yep; the monetary damage is not the point of what this kid did. He drank, underage, without his parents' permission. That he drank their overpriced champagne isn't the point. The bugle destruction is kind of a shame, but if the kid had any sort of respect for his parents and his parents' posessions, this wouldn't have happened.

          Second, does it sound like this kid needs more guidance?

          Damn right

          • Eh, I don't agree on the spanking front. Not that parents don't have the right to spank their kids until they're adults, but just that it's NOT effective.

            I realized when I was about 10 years old that spankings never hurt very much -- I was upset by the disapproval they reflected. I could tolerate MUCH more pain than a spanking inflicted (even multiple swats with the belt from my dad) without crying. So after that, spankings just made me feel more resentful and fueled my [pre-]adolescent disgust for my par
            • yeah, yeah, you're anti-spanking.

              I'm just pro-parenting. If people would be PARENTS to their kids and not just send them off/sit them in front of the television/game console/computer. Spanking does work for some kids. I needed, I think, a total of 3. My oldest brother got one. But my 2nd oldest brother needed more.

              We need more parents like you, who actually give a crap about parenting.
              • No, we agree. I'm pro-parenting. And I'm NOT anti-spanking (and it's not fair for you to be so dismissive that way!!)! :-) I believe there is a time & a place for spanking, absolutely! But most of the time, with the appropriate level of thought and effort, it's not needed, nor is it the best method of discipline in the given situation.

                "Pro-parenting" is an *excellent* term for it!! Nicely put! :-)

                ....Bethanie....
  • About that age my Dad either caught me riding my bicycle without a helmet or running a stop sign, can't remember which. That was the second time he'd caught me. Three months later when I was allowed to ride my bike again I'd learned my lesson.
  • That kid would loose more than the PS2 if it was me when I was 13. I would (justly) have a sore butt from a spanking, and those friends wouldn't be allowed over for a few weeks.

    If I was the parent, I would call up the other kids parents (or visit them in person) and let them know what the kids did while I was out and why their kid is not allowed back in my house for X weeks. I would say that I don't care what they say, or whose kid is responsible. Even if my kid was the rotten brat, it would be better i
    • Also, don't you get the impression that the parents seem strangely unconcerned about a 13 year old's drunkenness? It seems like they don't especially care about the drinking as long as he isn't drinking _their_ beer.

      On the other hand, I bet the kids got more pleasure out of the champagne than the reneck parents would have. Anyway, Dom Perignon is way overpriced and overrated.

      • I thought about the "parents not caring about the beer" angle but it looks like the do. They confronted the kids about it regardless. The point of the item description up was not to list the ways they went about the discipline issue, but the damages lost to justify the price for the PS2.

        Regarding the DP, it is probably no better than most other champagnes. I mean serriously, champagne is practically sugared and carbonated water as it is... they can't do too much with it. I tend to view with a warry eye
    • I think the best way to tell whether God will bless you with good kids when you are a parent, is to look at yourself, and your siblings, your significant other(when/if you have/get one) and their siblings.

      If you were good, the odds are with you. That being said, of course, part of evolution and maturity is rebellion against your parents and the ways of old.
      • That being said, of course, part of evolution and maturity is rebellion against your parents and the ways of old.

        Don't I know it... I performed my stint as the prodigal son [biblegateway.com]

        jason
  • "(13 isn't too old to spank, IMHO)."

    hehe at 13 I was about 1/2 foot taller then my mom and dad, if they tried to spank me it would have been a funny sight :)
    • Your dad didn't spank you hard enough when you were younger. My father still scared me when I was half a foot taller, outweighed him by 80 lbs, and had about 4 inches of reach on him.
      • My dad is 5'8", 230 pounds and 50 years old, blind in 1 eye and a professional accountant. I'm 6'4", 285 pounds and 28yrs old, a bouncer at a bar, play hockey, and a computer programmer. Even though I am a lot bigger than him, he could still kick my ass because he has before and I respect him for it.

        There is something to say about beating respect into kids. Some just need it (I did). I'm glad he spanked me. When I was getting to 14, 15, 16yrs old and I tried to fight back, he'd wrestly my then gangly
        • My dad had two things in his favor. First, he had been more than willing to get into fights with bigger kids when he was growing up. He learned that the only way to fight is to fight 'dirty'. He views a fight (and war, for that matter) as something to be done as quickly and completely as possible. So the first target should be the family jewels.

          Second, he wasn't afraid to use a weapon. Yardstick, flyswatter, large belt.

          Remember 2001: it wasn't the big monkeys who one, it was the mean little fuckers who pi
      • I'm STILL afraid of my dad. Its that 'fear of God' respect I hope to instill in Joey...
        • Yeah, Joseph had a 'fear of God', but since he thinks he is invincible, he plans on never meeting up with God.

          What are you doing online at 8:30 on a Saturday? Thought you were usually doing family type stuff.

          BTW, have you played the Thief III demo or picked up the game yet? I'm anxiously awaiting your report.
          • Joey's asleep and I've done enough damn yardwork to take a break on the computer.

            Thief3, at least the game, will have to be a while. Don't have the $40 to drop on it (I just found a 21" Trinitron monitor in perfect condition at a yard sale for $40... I can wait on Thief3 for this monster) ;-)

            I'll check out the demo tomorrow night or something.
            • I just found a 21" Trinitron monitor in perfect condition at a yard sale for $40.

              You are teh SUXXOR! Look, I'll give you $45 for it.

              Damn, all we get around here at yard sales are bulk purchases of used underwear:(

              Demo was pretty fun. I enjoyed it a bit more than when I tried Thief II. Only problem is that I'd like a little interaction with people in the environment. Seemed like the only thing to do was avoid, stab, or pickpocket people:(
  • Am I the only one who thinks it would be poetic if he turned around and sold dad's Rolex on eBay? (Probably so.)
  • Nothing like incompetent parents displaying their "issues" and inadequacy on a public forum.

    I AM NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR FROM A CHILD. EVEN A 6'3" 13 YEAR OR ANY ONE WHO DISRESPECTS ME & MY STUFF.

    ...And the cycle of a family with damaged boundaries continues: "You disrespect me and I'll show you! I'll disrespect you right back! Might makes right!"

    Even money says the kid will go through two marriages (look at the role models!), slap his girlfriend and spend a few days in the

    • Not to mention their flawless spelling and grammar.
    • I don't know. I got the impression that more than just damaged boundaries, they're afraid of the kid for some reason. This stinks of lashing out in a last ditch attempt to "get back" at the kid (You disrespect me and I'll show you! I'll disrespect you right back! Might makes right!) and "teach" him a lesson. Except, without the conviction to show where the error occurred, it will just be an empty punishment that helps lead to the societal problems you suggested in the last paragraph. I picture two fat yuppi

      • This stinks of lashing out in a last ditch attempt to "get back" at the kid ~.

        Interesting; I didn't even think of that angle, but it makes sense. They neglect their kid (too much trouble...he's always asking questions or getting on my nerves!) or figure the TeeVee will raise him, then wonder why he acts out later.

        There's just something very unsettling about the whole listing... makes me want to backhand all three of the major players.

        Yeah. There are no winners here, and it isn't over by a long shot.

    • by Jhon (241832)

      Nothing like incompetent parents displaying their "issues" and inadequacy on a public forum.

      I agree that this 'ebay item' doesn't suggest good parenting skills. While I have no idea the complete back-story, what was presented doesn't put either parents OR child in any good light.

      That said, I like the idea of publically SELLING a prized item as a form of punishment. Children tend not to make money and have no real sense of 'value' and as a result don't always respect property - particularly when it's no


  • I'm thinking I might need to come up with some stupid story for everything I sell on eBay. Then it can make the rounds and shoot the price up to a gajillion dollars.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. -- Milton Friendman

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