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(Wow, hattrick JE. I'm on a roll for someone without time).

I didn't realize how many of you are unhappy with the current system. Well, its not that surprising, cause the zoo system on slashdot was slapped on and not many of you are here for the slashdot side, but rather, for the journals.

So the question becomes, what should the next best thing be?

I've already made a slashclone (for those that remember the old marotti.com) and it failed pretty bad. Just making a journalling system is simply a livejournal clone.

First, obviously, you'd need journalling. And the writer becomes an 'admin' (in the sense of being able to delete comments and such). Maybe a community moderation system? Or none at all? (or none until you have over 20 messages in the entry?). The zoo system could be thrown in place as just colors. Like your friends comment TD border becomes green (sorry to go HTML on those that don't know it), foes become red, etc... And branch out the system a little more and have colors that make sense... So it isn't about adjusting their comments, but making their comments 'stand out'.

I'd think you'd want something for a 'main page' that is the core interest of all. Like with slashdot's main page. It doesn't have to be fancy or anything. Or perhaps you just have a 'select few' journals that you can view... or a random one on the front page?? Maybe the 'journal entry of the day' voted on by the readers??

Anywho, I'm looking for ideas to setup some requirements for the next best thing.

And, wife and joey are out to philly from thurs-sunday so I have time to whip something up if the ideas pour in fast enough.
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  • And I'd bet since she talks to Xer, that it's his system.

    And I could be wrong, and probably am.

    But there's no sense in reinventing the wheel, is there? Well, it's the web. It *thrives* on reinventing the wheel. ;)

    I wouldn't mind a free way to control who posts to your journals. The subscription thing is annoying. Although, that said, I might subscribe someday just to find out what cool other features are there. It would be interesting to find my first comments, see what I was saying. And instead of re

  • First, unless everyone on my friends list agrees to move to the "new best thing", there is no reason for me to move.

    Second, if everyone agrees to move, then you need a mechanism in place to pull over ALL of the existing journals and comments. There's a lot of history here and to simply leave it behind is kind of silly.

    Why do we need a new, better thing?

    Maybe some people want to add graphics to their JEs or video, etc...

    FK,

    I'm not sure that we need a new, better thing.

    Just my 2cents.
    • I've been thinking about pulling over the old junk. Perl is probably well suited to this (sorry FK, you java lover you:)

    • I feel the same way as Dayton. Even though the front page of /. is dead for me (I usually just glance at the headlines and maybe browse the discussions at +2 or so), the JE territory is still a load of fun and is very stimulating (both in terms of just bullshitting, but also having serious debates and discussions).

      So I really don't see the need for a new "better than /." system -- after all there are others already anyway (K5, Plastic.com, etc.). And like Dayton, unless the community that has formed here

    • Yeah, what the leftist pinko commie type said. :-P

      /. gets the job done, if you mostly ignore the front page.

      • leftist pinko commie

        Ah damn. I've been type-cast again!
        • Ah damn. I've been type-cast again!

          No, that would have looked like this...

          Object o = new FortKnox();
          try {
          LeftistPinkoCommie lpk = (LeftistPinkoCommie) o;
          }
          catch (ClassCastException e)
          {
          System.out.println("FK isn't a Lefty Pinko Commie? Who'd a thunk it!");
          }
        • it's better than being die-cast, or even drop-forged.
  • I mean, honestly, why not LJ? I'm sure it wouldn't be TOO hard to write up a LJ extension that allows for voting and news...
  • Well, its not that surprising, cause the zoo system on slashdot was slapped on and not many of you are here for the slashdot side, but rather, for the journals.

    Yup, the zoo was bolted on for no apparent reason except that Taco thought it would be fun, everyone thought it was idiotic and then a whole new /. culture emerged around it. People don't give Rob nearly as much credit as his savviness deserves. I doubt if he realizes it himself.

    Anyway, out of curiosity, why *are* you people here if you have no inte

    • Anyway, out of curiosity, why *are* you people here if you have no interest in the main site? I'm amazed at how many people (especially women) have set up shop in the journal/friend system and seem to have zero interest in the articles or in posting on them. Nothing wrong with that, but why do it here instead of on one of the legions of "community" or weblog sites out there? Just curious...

      Well, I'm now in that category - the word which explains it all being now. I started years ago (under another nick),

    • Anyway, out of curiosity, why *are* you people here if you have no interest in the main site? I'm amazed at how many people (especially women) have set up shop in the journal/friend system and seem to have zero interest in the articles or in posting on them. Nothing wrong with that, but why do it here instead of on one of the legions of "community" or weblog sites out there? Just curious...

      I'd guess it's partly because of the FoF system, where people can more easily stumble upon journals of friends of f

    • I agree with Cyberdyne. I don't see a whole lot that I like on other sites. I guess I like /. because it's more text-based than other sites that have icons and such. A big, giant list of people and their icons doesn't really interest me.

      I guess, like I said, it's because it's more purely text-based, and that's all you have to go on. Some people link to pics and such, but I don't always check them out. I have my own site, but I don't blog there because...well, I don't want to. I've posted some things, but

  • A way to do a controlled publish would be great, so that only say, your friends list(or what have you) can even read the journal entry.

    And that's all I can think of right now.

    I'd probably move on over, but I'm not sure about others.

    • Hummmm interesting. I know of very few times, if any, when I would publish and want only friends to view the JE. I am more interested in anyone that wants to being abel to read the JEs.

      THis publish method would conflict with any searching feature since different users would turn up different search results.

      But it could be an option for sure. No idea how the implementation would be affected.

      jason
      • Well, for me, there are some things that I feel more comfortable telling an audience of strangers than telling the world.

        You see a few people I know IRL read my /. journal and there are some things I don't want to share with them that I might want to get off my chest.

        End result. I don't post it.
        • Great example for that feature. Good point. For those issues, I would use email and would use it for the following reason.

          What happens when you add / remove a friend to your list. Do they loose / gain the ability to search through a discussion? IF you add a friend, do they gain the ability to search all future discussions? IF you remove a friend, do they retain searching through previous discussions, but loose that ability on future discussions?

          Come to think of it, is searchign even a viable option?
          • Well with email, for example, it's difficult for people to talk to each other unless you set it up as a mailing list. And even then it's a lot more aggressive than a message board.

            So, right now for example, I could post a JE asking whoever wanted to know some esoteric intimate detail about suject x to email me, and I would reply. And everyone would get the entry, but no one would be able to really talk about it with each other without also resorting to email or posting to the Journal and thus defeating t
  • Ok so the community is here, the content is here, the ability to build dialogue is here save one feature...

    A reasonable frontend.

    Really, who doesn't go directly to their messages? Who would rather have a JTree-like look at comments instead of the flat list (which only exists because of the volume on the frontpage but is too spartan for the more intimate Journals).

    The way I see it: a page with the listing of messages at the top and the x most recent journals from your friends shown in the same way as di
    • I would also like to queue my replies. I can rip em off, and walk away, instead of having to wait two minutes between replies.
      • What he said! I can type fast and somtimes, only a few paragraphs are needed. I used tabbed browsing to open up all the messages I want to read and then respond and close them one by one. Sometimes I have to type a response, go and start reading a long JE or typing a longer response, then come back, click submit, then go back to where I was... bah!
    • Additionally a list of the y most recent journal entries from across the whole of /.

      What about comments.pl [slashdot.org]? It shows all the active discussions, including journal entries. Yes, it's a bitch to navigate (even worse than the search-thingie), but you can still find fun things from time to time.

  • I wrote a JE which is sorta about this [slashdot.org]. It's about The Circle [thecircle.org.au]. More or less it is a friend/foe system on an analog scale. You can choose degrees of trust instead of the binary "I love this person" or "this person is a troll" Slashlogic. Everyone can moderate too--the moderation you see depends upon who you trust. Their posting and viewing system sucked when I was on it--they didn't even have threading, but wasn't much worse than most web peice of crap interfaces--including Slashdot. The Web is only good for

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