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Comment Re:Bullshit (Score 1) 743

That's much better than systemd where messages typically don't make it to the journal.

with systemd the only times messages don't make it to the journal is when either:
1. the unit file explicitly says to send the messages to the console
2. an init script is being used and it ends the messages somewhere else

in both cases systemd does exactly what sysvinit does.


Comment Re:Bullshit (Score 1) 743

So, I get marked troll for pointing out that a lying troll is a lying troll. Way to go anti-systemd loons.

No, Poetering does not "consider exit statuses, stderr, and syslog "broken concepts."", that's why systemd works so well with exit statuses, stderr and syslog, unlike sysvinit which throws stderr on the console where no one will see it and has no way of checking the status of launched daemons.

Comment Re:antiX Linux is a systemd-free Debian derivative (Score 1) 743

A third option is to use a newer distro that does not use systemd. I run a Gentoo system that does not use systemd. You can also get up-to-date Debian based distros such as [ Debian ] which don't [ have to ] use systemd.

I still don't know what Devuan and friends are supposed to be for.

Comment Re:Bullshit (Score 1) 743

So, I did this after a debian 'unstable' upgrade of kcachegrind (!) pulled in systemd and rendered my workstation unbootable.


$ apt-cache-show kcachegrind
Depends: kde-runtime (>> 4:4.10), libc6 (>= 2.14), libkdecore5 (>= 4:4.11), libkdeui5 (>= 4:4.11), libkio5 (>= 4:4.11), libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.8.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
Recommends: graphviz, valgrind
Suggests: kcachegrind-converters, khelpcenter4

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