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Comment: Re:I guess he crossed the wrong people (Score 1) 127

by microbox (#49498305) Attached to: Columbia University Doctors Ask For Dr. Mehmet Oz's Dismissal
Society is run by interest groups. Money creates its own interest groups (e.g., Monsanto), but not every interest group is some type of money. For example, the people who got the UN to ban land-mines -- was just a bunch of average Joes. (Personally I think this is a mistake, because landmine technology has come a long way.) The scientists against Oz are just a bunch of average Joe scientists.

Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 5, Insightful) 127

by PopeRatzo (#49498271) Attached to: Columbia University Doctors Ask For Dr. Mehmet Oz's Dismissal

or do you just stand against genetic engineering as we currently practice because you have an ignorant fear of what you don't understand?

I stand against genetically modified crops because I don't want fucking multinationals to own the intellectual property rights over basic foodstuffs.

this is what you represent:

And this is what you represent:




Because make no mistake, those are the people who will own those rights. And they're the people saying GMOs will feed the hungry when GMOs are mainly targeted to countries where there are no hungry people.

I personally don't give a shit whether or not GMOs are safe. Hell if I cared about whether or not my food is safe, I wouldn't have eaten that burrito this afternoon from a street cart on Milwaukee Avenue run by the lady with prison tattoos. I care about what kind of sleazy motherfuckers are going to be gaining even greater wealth and political power from their iron grip on our food supply.

And, I'm also more than a little offended by people who say that consumers don't have a right to know the provenance of the food they eat. As if you've become some new arbiter of what information consumers may be allowed to base their purchasing decisions on. If I don't want to buy green socks, I don't have to buy green socks, even though they are every bit as safe as the grey socks I prefer. Does that mean that sock consumers must now not be allowed to see the color of the fucking socks in the package, because after all, green socks are functionally the same as grey socks? And if I don't want to buy GMO food, and you are hell bent against me finding out whether my food is from GMOs, we have a problem. Not because I'm denying some eternal law of Science, but because fuck you, I'm the one paying for that food. My purchasing your food is not some part of the social contract, and Monsanto making profit beyond the dreams of avarice is not part of some social contract, it's a simple consumer transaction. So if I want to know whether that sweet corn has been soaking in some Roundup lab experiment shit that has to be used in greater and greater amounts just to make the cockroaches drop dead, you'd better be prepared to tell me or no goddamn sale.

It's funny that our consumer economy has made a fucking religion out of people's purchasing preferences, but as soon as someone says, "Hey, I'd like to know if this food product came out of Doctor Motherfucking Frankenstein's lab" he is told, "No, you are not allowed to have that information. Just purchase and believe. Even worse, when a company did decide to state on their label that their products did not contain GMOs, motherfucking Monsanto sued them. Fortunately, they lost, but I don't think for a minute that this won't be revisited. When someone is so desperate to hide a single fact, to the point of spending billions fighting legislative and grass roots efforts just to make sure there is this one, single, scientifically-verifiable fact, that food product X contains genetically modified organisms that makes me suspicious as hell. Because when did it become "pro-science" to hide information from people?

Also, the studies on GMO safety have been extremely narrow, looking for toxicity and certain types of cancer-causing effects. There have been no studies at all on people who've eaten GMOs for 20 years, because they've only been selling GMOs to people for 20 years. Further, no studies on the overall health of people eating GMOs or life expectancy of people eating GMOs or effect of GMOs on developing children or senior citizens. Not a fucking one. And I don't know what's up where you live, but judging from the people I see walking the streets who eat the foods most likely to come from GMOs (ie: prepared foods), I would say it's not a shining endorsement of the health-giving benefits of GMOs.

So knock off the ad hominem attacks on people who want labels on food or who don't want to pay license fees for sweet potatoes. The use of "anti-science" accusations for this kind of thing is actually devaluing peoples' respect for science. That's how you get these whacko anti-vaxers and people who think the earth revolves around the sun. To a great extent the arrogant attitudes of scientific mouthpieces in fields as diverse as astrophysics, climate science and the gold-plated jackoffs who do "agricultural sciences" in campus buildings named after the owners of chemical companies who have created some of the deadliest substances on earth are actually causing people to lose respect for "Science" (as if it were some monolithic council of elders), and that's a bad outcome.

So knock if off before you get someone hurt. And just put the goddamn label on the package, OK? If you're so ashamed of where that food comes from, well that tells me something, too.

Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 1) 127

by microbox (#49498245) Attached to: Columbia University Doctors Ask For Dr. Mehmet Oz's Dismissal
Wow, this is puerile and ill-thought out even for slashdot. It's like you never heard of crankery, and think all opinions are equally valid. Ya know what? There's a teapot orbiting the sun between earth and mars, and I also have fairies living in my backyard.

Comment: Re:Did they mention the yummy GMOs (Score 1) 127

viruses infect your cells, pick up stray genes, propagate, and spread that gene to other creatures

simple bacteria frequently exchange genes


you have this notion that transfer of genes between species is some weird thing humans just invented

when the truth is gene transfer amongst species is normal and common

it has been going on since day one of life existing

again, you have this bizarre irrational fear that has no meaning except to illiterate people

Comment: Re:Why waste time on robots? (Score 1) 56

by PopeRatzo (#49498143) Attached to: Drought and Desertification: How Robots Might Help

Think instead of huge sprinkler systems that spray millions of gallons you had a few solar powered robots running around spraying just the right amount of water on each plant right when the needed it, not too much and not too little.

Robots, bitches.

Anything not to admit what's happening.

Comment: Re:Did they mention the yummy GMOs (Score 1, Insightful) 127

then we need to label every single thing we eat as genetically modified

you think our corn or carrots are natural?

they are freak artificial mutations that would never survive in the natural world

because we do in the lab intelligently what we have been doing informally for thousands of years is threatening to you is simply a sign of your ignorance and science illiteracy. you have nothing but uneducated, irrational fear

Comment: Re:I guess he crossed the wrong people (Score 3, Insightful) 127

"I just don't want to eat a food that manufactures its own pesticide"

then you don't want to eat any plant that has ever grown

plants have been in an evolutionary arms race with the creatures that eat them for billions of years, producing a plethora of toxic compounds to kill and maim that which eats them

and the evolution of animal's livers have been doing their best to keep up

in fact many flavor compounds and drugs from plants were originally evoled to kill us, or are meant to kill another species

your irrational fear is nothing but illiteracy and ignorance

Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 1) 127

not sure if you're a troll with that language

but there is no such thing as a balanced point of view when considering the ignorant illiterate beliefs of crackpots in equal balance with mainstream well established science

we know for example the earth is round. we don't need to "fairly" consider that the earth might be flat, just because some crackpot moron thinks so. we can safely exclude the low iq douchebags on the fringe. that's not being unbalanced or having a closed mind or refusing to consider alternate theories

that's just saying fact and reality trump delusion and insanity

it's not "heresy" to doubt vaccines. it's prideful ignorance of well-established fact

Comment: Re:in my opinion this guy is like Jenny McCarthy (Score 2, Insightful) 127

well arctic ice is shrinking, and new england weather is getting more violent, just as climate change predicts

additionally, we have been genetically engineering crops for thousands of years. the corn and carrots you eat are freakish artificial monstrosity's that would never survive in the wild

heck look at what we did to the wolf: all those weird mutant dog shapes, sizes, and coats

do you stand agains tthat?

or do you just stand against genetic engineering as we currently practice because you have an ignorant fear of what you don't understand?

i have no problem with opposing monsanto, the corporation with dubious goals that should be opposed

i have a very huge problem with opposing science like genetic engineering, or confusing a corporation with science, because you are a science illiterate

this is what you represent:


there is no such thing as considering the fringe ignorant deranged beliefs of fringe crackpots in equal balance with mainstream science with huge consensus

for anyone that that appeals to, is just revealing how uneducated and dumb they are

Comment: Re:Did they mention the yummy GMOs (Score 4, Interesting) 127

can you legitimize that accusation please?

i oppose dr. oz's dangerous quackery and i'm not getting any monsanto money. i am inclined to think these doctors are equally principled

but if you flesh out your accusation with actual proof, i would be inclined to change my view

and i'm talking about actual money going to these actual doctors at the *Columbia University Medical Center*. not some unrelated researcher getting funds in a distant unrelated department in another school ten years ago. i am absolutely certain a huge university like columbia and a huge corporation like monsanto have some sort of overlapping financial investment/ contribution

there's also plenty of criticism of monsanto from columbia faculty. it's not a monolithic ideology, it's a university

so you need to give valid proof, not a lame smear. you have to do better than "evil corporation... rich doctors... all connected... HURRR DURRR." this is not alex jones where every low iq paranoid conspiracy theory is automatically gospel truth

finally, if you have such a dim view of financial investment coloring people's opinions, why do you not consider dr. oz's financial stakes in the crackpot "cures" he pushes as a serious ethical problem? your accusation of financial impropriety trumping morality has much more meaning when leveled at dr oz

but these guys have an agenda that's as clear as day

no. fucking bullshit. dr oz is the one with an agenda as clear as day. you have to prove your accusations against these doctors or you're just a low life smearmonger

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